Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dartvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!hao!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!akgua!mcnc!decvax!dartvax!karl From: karl@dartvax.UUCP (S. Delage.) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: No mirror, no dust Message-ID: <1914@dartvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 24-Jun-84 09:23:40 EDT Article-I.D.: dartvax.1914 Posted: Sun Jun 24 09:23:40 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 27-Jun-84 02:57:15 EDT References: <561@flairvax.UUCP> Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 25 Perhaps Mr. Moffet should not have denied the existence of other minds/brains. As Mr. Kissell points out, we all [at least to my knowledge] are aware of ourselves, and can think about ourselves, and so on. A more traditional behaviorist position, which is Skinner's, if I remember correctly, is that attributing causes to the mind/brain is not useful. That is, "I did something because I thought about it and came to the conclusion that it was a good thing to do." does not tell us anything more than "I did something because Zeus gave me a hint that it would a good thing to do.". That does not deny the thinking-about-it part, just its usefulness as an explanation for behavior. Instead, our behavior is caused by (a) our genetic endowment. ( A predisposition to certain acts, if you will. ) (b) our current environment. ( Immediate threats/enticements to act on. ) and (c) our past conditioning history. ( If something was bad or good last time, our behavior will be changed appropriately. ) If I'm misrepresenting Skinner, let me know. What this all means in light of the current mind/brain discussion is not very clear to me. It seems to me that if we understand the mind/brain better, we will be able to predict behavior more accurately, and understand which parts of the brain are involved in more decisions, and so on. Whether or not this is an interesting topic is a matter of individual choice. karl@dartmouth ~~ {cornell,astrovax,colby,decvax,uvm-gen}!dartvax!karl