Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!akgua!mcnc!decvax!mit-athena!yba From: yba@mit-athena.ARPA (Mark H Levine) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Drifting sideways into economics Message-ID: <189@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Mon, 2-Jul-84 23:52:52 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-athena.189 Posted: Mon Jul 2 23:52:52 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 7-Jul-84 01:29:19 EDT References: <610@flairvax.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 41 I think this is an important topic; I fear that the way we deal with such questions is to let nature take its course only after we have done our best to deflect it. What about your number 4? You seem to have left it lying there after expanding on all the others. A popular science fiction theme used to involve the facts you present, and then chose option 4. We go to a shorter work week at the same wage to distribute the work to all, and use the wages simply as an economic means to solve an economic problem-- distribution of goods and services. We abandon the notion that wages are related to worth--they are instead only related to share in available resources. Of course you have a problem in allotment. If you do not favor an egalitarian solution, how about one in which wages are simply proportional to actual value (the constant of proportionality is a function of GNP and total population I suppose). This preserves our ability to focus labor on needs in theory. One can argue that with the system of transfer payments we have, we are well on our way to this anyway. Biggest problem is that we do not shorten work assignments to give full employment, which has additional costs in social (real human) terms. What happened to the notion of robots doing all the work while we relax and pursue happiness? Was it doomed ever to be a fiction? Why? Call me simple, but please, do comment. All the intelligent people I know, including perhaps myself, seem to decide that there is nothing to be done or said, and become content to let things slide all the way down, depending on the self-regulation apparatus to set things right after civilization falls. I read the Latin letters of the ancient Romans with fear: they were complaining about the cost of fruit and the scarcity of goods, about the mob that had taken over Rome and ran the government while demanding bread and circuses, about the legions not being up to their once proud snuff; they conclude there is nothing to do but come up to the seaside villa and relax. I think I'll go to the beach.... -- yba%mit-heracles@mit-mc.ARPA UUCP: decvax!mit-athena!yba