Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 UW 5/3/83; site uw-beaver Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!info-mac From: info-mac@uw-beaver (info-mac) Newsgroups: fa.info-mac Subject: Re: Open system, documentation, et al. Message-ID: <1158@uw-beaver> Date: Mon, 9-Jul-84 11:38:23 EDT Article-I.D.: uw-beaver>.1158 Posted: Mon Jul 9 11:38:23 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 10-Jul-84 02:49:52 EDT Sender: daemon@uw-beave Organization: U of Washington Computer Science Lines: 50 From: David H M Spector In reference to the number of letters regarding the open-ness or closed-ness of the Macintosh, I might add the following: It seems that not very many people have read the Ads. Apple has dubbed the Mac "the computer for the REST of us...". In other words, the Macintosh is meant to be just like any other APPLIANCE; i.e., a toaster, or TV set; NOT a programmer's machine. And as an appliance it, so far, does a pretty good job. There are some bugs in documentation, software, et al, but for the average person off the street, who has never seen a computer before, it does the things that have to be done. All the gripes about the lack of memory, second drive, no assemblers, no batch, etc,etc are valid, but only from a programmer's standpoint. Our average (new) computer user will never know the difference, they are interested in doing their little MacWrite and MacPaint things and could probably care less about programming languages. Of course, since there is such a great demand for the Macintosh to BECOME a programmable/programmer's machine it will (has) become one. I am not even TRYING to imply that it shouldn't, as I desparately want to be able to program my mac (in something other than BASIC). I too would like to have seen the Macintosh come with 512Kb ( or more ) and a second drive, etc. But it didn't, and if you look at the logic behind it, it makes sense. On the documentation issue, I agree that $150 is a lot to pay for Inside Macintosh, but then I remember what the folks at Apple told me back in February when I inquired about Inside Mac, they said that they would rather that everyone wait until it was ""published"", but would be happy to sell it to you for the cost of Xeroxing it ( +/- 3000pp for $150, a good deal in paper alone...). But the again, even in its preliminary state, Inside Mac has everything you would ever need, spelled out very clearly. Finally, I'd like to say that although it may look like at am trying to defend Apple to the limit, I'm really not... Its just that if you look at the market Apple seems to have targeted for the Mac, it is a very different one than some of us are supposing. David HM Spector ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "any opinion express herein...(etc, etc, etc)..." ARPAnet: Spector@NYU-CMCL1 USEnet : ...allegra!cmcl2!spector US Mail: New York University/Academic Computing Facility, Systems Group New York, NY 10012 (212) 460-7287 -------