Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ames-lm.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!amd70!dual!ames-lm!barry From: barry@ames-lm.UUCP (Kenn Barry) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Abortions and Aristotle Message-ID: <357@ames-lm.UUCP> Date: Sun, 24-Jun-84 15:00:58 EDT Article-I.D.: ames-lm.357 Posted: Sun Jun 24 15:00:58 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 27-Jun-84 03:21:30 EDT References: <351@ames-lm.UUCP>, <3120@cbscc.UUCP> Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center, Mtn. View, CA Lines: 82 [<+>] My thanks to Paul Dubuc for his interesting response to my posting. I may have bitten off more than I can chew, but let me try to clarify my original point. Man is a symbol-maker. In order to think at all, we abstract what seem to be the significant features of the reality we observe, and make from this symbols to stand for the groupings and features and characteristics we are able to extract from our sense-data. As Kant pointed out, it is this self-constructed symbolic reality we really live in, for our contact with 'objective' reality is only indirect, via our sense-organs. Our constructions are of course not random (unless we're insane). They are constrained by the necessity of being a good map of the sense impressions we receive. However (here comes the point), the objective universe is not similarly constrained by our symbolic maps of it. It is free to throw new phenomena at us which do not neatly equate to any of the categories we had thus far constructed. A case in point: one very fundamental categorization we impose on the universe is alive/not alive. It long seemed that anything in the real world would have to fall unambiguously into one of those two groups. But then viruses came along. They obstinately insisted on having characteristics that, by the pre-existing classifications, made them unquestionably alive, and also certainly non-living. I don't know if this particular debate still rages among the biologists, but it makes a good illustration in any case. The first mental reaction to such a problem is to examine the evidence carefully, to see if the new phenomenon (virus) is perhaps closer to one of the two pre-existing categories. If so, one can modify one's categories to include the new phenomenon, and still leave a fairly clear dividing line between the two possibilities. The other possibility is to discover that no clear division is possible. Some things occur along a continuum, with no clear dividing line. In such cases, it is important to understand that the categories we assign are derived from our observations, and not the other way around. This is the situation I see when we try to categorize the human fetus as either human/non-human. The process of human ova and sperm uniting and becoming (eventually) a fully-functional human being is a very gradual one, with no unambiguous dividing line where 'humanity' begins, provided by the observations. There are two signal events - fertilization and birth. Indeed, most of the abortion argument seems to center on which of these two events should be considered the 'human' starting-point. But neither is a clean separation-point. At birth a child acquires a truly separate body of its own, but a well-developed fetus delivered early by surgery can also often be kept alive outside the mother's womb. Similarly, even though conception seems like the beginning of the process of 'humanization', parthenogenesis is possible, and even cloning may be possible one day. Are we to argue therefore for the 'humanity' of an unfertilized human egg? What I was trying to say in my original article, was that by recognizing that the dividing line we draw between 'human' and 'non-human' *has* to be somewhat arbitrary, we can deal with trying to find the most *sensible* way to categorize, rather than trying to force the facts to fit our preconceived notions that the distinction between human and non-human is a fact to be discovered, and not a definition to be agreed upon. We can even, as I suggested, create a third category, call it "pre-human", define it as having some of the qualities we think of as 'human', but not others, and accord it some human rights, but not others. Or we can stick to just two categories if we want to, as long as we remember that the precise location of the dividing line is bound to be somewhat arbitrary, and that arguing about whether ambiguous cases are 'really' human is to ascribe to our human definitions an absoluteness that they do not possess. Contrary opinions will be read with interest. Do keep in mind that I am *not* saying that our classifications of human/non-human are totally arbitrary. They are constrained by our perceptions of objective reality, and are quite useful. I am only saying that objective reality does not provide us with an exact location where the human/non-human line should be drawn, only an approximate one. [The opinions expressed herein are my own foolishness, and do not necessarily reflect the views of anyone that matters.] Kenn Barry NASA-Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Electric Avenue: {dual,hao,menlo70,hplabs}!ames-lm!barry