Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site opus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!cires!nbires!opus!rcd From: rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: Tubes/solid state, etc. (the heat goes on...) Message-ID: <578@opus.UUCP> Date: Thu, 5-Jul-84 02:29:28 EDT Article-I.D.: opus.578 Posted: Thu Jul 5 02:29:28 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 1-Jul-84 04:24:37 EDT References: <566@opus.UUCP> <76@sunybcs.UUCP> Organization: NBI, Boulder Lines: 51 >If you do not know what 'flat' sound is, you should not >be wasting your money on Hi-Fi gear... Now, according to the Charles Pearson Close-Cover-Before-Striking School of Audio Reproduction and Heavy Machinery, you can't enjoy good sound unless you understand non-technical terms used in technical contexts. >for one definition try: > you are now listening to a flat (like a picture is flat) source of... >... >For another definition try: > there is no life in the music... flat and dull. > >Context changes the usage of 'flat'. If I just sit still here, I won't have to work to make my point; Pearson will make it for me. The context (note singular) was perceived quality of sound reproduction. If the meaning wanders around, it doesn't help us much. Moreover, I find that "no life in the music" is something I apply to the nature of the performance, not the nature of the reproduction system. (SOUND reproduction system. Stop snickering!) >Why no tyraids about 'soggy', 'thumpy', 'swangy', 'harsh', 'sweet', >'warm', 'air', 'ambiance', 'coloration(s)'.... My posting also questioned "dry". By implication from its referenced article, it also questioned "unrevealing", "uninteresting", "open", "warm", and "accurate". I would reject all of these terms as unsuitable except for "accurate" - but the article I referenced indicated that a system could be at once "noisy" and "accurate", so I have to reject one or the other. I similarly reject soggy, swangy (twangy??), sweet, warm, air, and ambiance. There seems to be a little bit of meaning in thumpy, harsh, and coloration. I'm not objecting to use of a variety of terms per se; I'm objecting to their indiscriminate use without any apparent generally-understood definition. Example from a different domain: There are at least thirty terms used to describe beer tastes; it's probably more like a hundred. They range from "diacetyl" and "light-struck" to "banana ester" and "husk". However, each one has a specific meaning, understood to people who taste beer. You can go to a school and get trained to analyze beer. When you're done, if you succeed in training your palate, you will be able to judge a beer and label it with the various terms in the same way as other testers. You will be able to do so in double-blind testing. When I see that a similar meaning and repeatability lies behind terms like "flabby" or "grainy" applied to audio equipment, I won't have a complaint any more. Parenthetically, I find it interesting that brewing is so much of a science compared to audio reproduction. (I guess the important things get taken care of first:-) -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been.