Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site sunybcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amd!decwrl!decvax!genrad!wjh12!harvard!seismo!rochester!rocksvax!sunybcs!charles From: charles@sunybcs.UUCP (Charles E. Pearson) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: Tubes/solid state, etc. (the heat goes on...) Message-ID: <82@sunybcs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 29-Jun-84 13:05:41 EDT Article-I.D.: sunybcs.82 Posted: Fri Jun 29 13:05:41 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 27-Jul-84 05:33:04 EDT References: <578@opus.UUCP> Organization: SUNY/Buffalo Computer Science Lines: 60 Since you seem doomed to not understanding something until you experienct it... Let me explain to you how to understand the phrase 'flat' as used in audio jargon.... First, since you seem unable to understand ambiance, it is safe to assume that you have never experienced it. Your audio system is unable to re-produce it either. To experience ambiance (or multi-dimensionality of the sound) try going to any live performance... a concert, a play, a bar, even your local eating hall. Close your eyes (it helps, but I will not go into why and you also have something to gripe about in my refusal to list sources) and concentrate on the sound(s). Where are they comming from? Is that sound to the left/right foreground/background of that other sound? Now go home and listen to your stereo. Can you place sounds like you could in the live performance? If not, then your stereo produces 'flat' ambiance. If you could not even place the instruments/voices to the left/right of each other then your system is not even stereo. That exactly defines 'flat ambiance' Flat tonal quality... take your system and play with it.... if you have an equalizer set every single switch/button etc. to their minimum setting. If you have some kind of dynamic range expander/compressor then set it to full compression. In either case this newer sound is exactly defining 'flat' Flat resopnse is a different thing altogether... Spectrum analyzer in hand (preferred one with very high resolution) no deviations from a straight horizontal line. Your problems with multiple meanings for the same word is best explained by the fact that you did not define the word to start with. For other examples of how words change meanings with their context take the biggest dictionary that you can find and see the many meanings for the character string 'jack'. Last time I heard, it was up to 27. Charles E. Pearson UUCP: {allegra, seismo}!rochester!rocksvax!sunybcs!charles decvax!watmath!sunybcs!charles ARPA & CSNET: charles.buffalo@rand-relay Physical: University Computing Services 4250 Ridge Lea Road room 28 SUNY Center at Buffalo Amherst, NY 14226 P.S. If your system is so poor in ambiance you might try the CARVER Holography trick as explained in AUDIO May 1983 (cheepest approach for the effect) P.P.S. I have found some solid state units that have rather complete ambiance, but I will not tell you what they were. Finding the little buggers is half the fun.