Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!brl-tgr!wmartin From: wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) Newsgroups: net.comics Subject: Newspaper comics (also, briefly, undergrounds) Message-ID: <3063@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Tue, 26-Jun-84 09:51:12 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.3063 Posted: Tue Jun 26 09:51:12 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 30-Jun-84 01:01:31 EDT Organization: Ballistics Research Lab Lines: 62 It would be nice to see more discussion/coverage of underground comix and newspaper comic strips in this forum; I am (or was) a collector of undergrounds, though I have bought few in recent years. Also, I read newspapers only sporadically, but I've noticed a couple rather disturbing trends in the newspaper comic pages: a) terribly poor drawing, and b) more and more non-funny "comics". In those copies of the St. Louis papers I have seen in the past few months, there have been some amazingly crude strips and single-panel cartoons. Yet these are syndicated, according to the copyright lines, so they are not just the editor's brother-in-law or other such aberration, but something enough people thought highly enough of to appear in papers across the country. I can only point to one example, as I haven't saved any others, but I happen to have (on the back of a crossword) a single-panel cartoon (is there a better or correct word to use here? "cartoon" doesn't imply the continuity of a daily strip) called "The Quigmans", copyright by the Los Angeles Times Syndicate. The artist's name is only in the drawing and appears to be "hickerson" (in lower-case). This panel is so crudely done that I would expect to see it in a child's home-made "newspaper", or perhaps in a student publication or strictly amateur fanzine. That it is nationally syndicated and printed in a major-market paper is astounding. There are legions of starving young cartoonists out there whose technical skill far outstrips the technique displayed here, yet this one is considered worthy of national distribution. Of course, not seeing it regularily, it may be that the caption-writing or joke lines are very funny and carry the bad drawing along. (Yet, in that case, there is no reason why the syndicate couldn't insist on a collaboration of the current writer and another, more talented artist.) This is just one example; there were several others in the paper. Have others noticed this sad trend? What could be the cause? There must be enough good artists out there that poor ones should get selected-out by the struggle. So how are crude drawings making their way to national markets? The other facet of newspaper comics I've noticed is that fewer and fewer strips are funny. That is, not just failed attempts at humor, but that there are more and more "soap opera" or "adventure story" strips, and they seem to be pushing out the funny comics. (The latter seem to me to be the reason for newspaper comics in the first place!) Pick up a paper and look at the comics page(s). There are many strips which are meaningless unless you have been following a story line every day for weeks. The individual strip might consist of a piece of action which is meaningless in itself. I recall seeing a "Mike Roper" or something similar where the entire daily strip was one panel of somebody getting punched in the jaw. No dialogue, nothing of any meaning to the one-time reader. I just cannot believe that this sort of thing belongs in a newspaper, though I guess that's just an opinion not borne out by the history. Adventure and soap-opera strips have been there all along ("Steve Canyon", "Mary Worth", whatever) -- it just seems like they are pushing out the real "comic" strips; the ones which are funny to read all by themselves, stand-alone, even if they might fit within some overall story line (like "Doonesbury" or "Peanuts"). Maybe it's just a symptom of the universal degradation of everything, the common malaise of this (and every other) time... I'd like to see discussion of this sort of thing here. Anybody else care enough to contribute the very best? Will