Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site uok.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uok!dwhitney From: dwhitney@uok.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Grammer Quiz (Try it if you dare!) - (nf) Message-ID: <22100006@uok.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Jul-84 00:56:00 EDT Article-I.D.: uok.22100006 Posted: Wed Jul 4 00:56:00 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 27-Jun-84 09:13:06 EDT References: <428@bunker.UUCP> Lines: 33 Nf-ID: #R:bunker:-42800:uok:22100006:000:1213 Nf-From: uok!dwhitney Jun 20 23:56:00 1984 #R:bunker:-42800:uok:22100006:000:1213 uok!dwhitney Jun 20 23:56:00 1984 The two sentences, I believe, need to be treated separately. They is an unidentified antecedent in the context of that sentence. (There may be a more accurate grammatical term for it, but I am not aware of it...) Team is, indeed, a collective noun, so perhaps the best solution would be to allow they to be considered a plural pronoun and combine the two sentences into one, like: The team lost its first game tonight, and afterwards they went to celebrate. (spelling errors forgiven and corrected.) Actually, as I look at it, it almost seems that its is out of place, that their would be more appropriate, thereby making they seem less awkward in terms of number. The team lost their first game tonight, and afterwards they went to celebrate. This way, you might even be able to put it back into two sentences. Try diagramming that above sentence....might put the tense and number in better perspective (how many have done any serious diagramming since high school....) Purely, there is (in my unofficial opinion) a change of number in the two original sentences. The two sentences seem more fluent in the latter form.. Oh, well. (I'm not an English major) David Whitney !ctvax!uokvax!uok!dwhitney