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Subject: Re: Hutch on Tom Condon on....
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Date: Tue, 10-Jul-84 11:14:56 EDT
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, (sop to the blank line eaters--consider it a religious sacrifice)

>>  Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no evidence to suggest that
>>  homosexuality is an hereditary trait.  In fact, there is strong evidence
>>  that suggests it is an adaptive reaction to crowding (studies done with rats
>>  and observations of wild herd animals).  

Actually, the cases you site (unspecifically) refer in a general sense to
studies of creatures who exist in close proximity in a "pecking order herd".
Under these conditions the dominent male usually breeds *ALL* of the females
and the non-dominant males must seek other non-dominant males for sexual
release.  Note that this is not an iron clad rule.  Since this is net.flame
I should say:  Hey, nerd, I was just trying to talk on a level the jerk would
understand!
>>  
>>  I have NEVER heard of an actual un-fathered baby.  Cloning has not yet been
>>  successful on humans.  To address your real issue:  What business is it of
>>  yours whether or not a woman wants to have a child and chooses not to
>>  marry/reveal the father?  (NONE!)  Snide aside:  How many children do you
>>  think you have?

I won the bet with myself that someone would deliberately misunderstand that.
The term is used to encompass unknown, fled, etc. fathers who remain out of
the picture.  The objection I have is to placing *ANOTHER* mouth on the
welfare dole.  The last I heard, Planned Parenthood and Family Planning
agencies make information on birth control available *FREE* to anyone who
asks, and I have the impression that they provide the materials at the 
same cost.  Even if there is a cost involved, it can't be very great.  I
(and I think a couple of others) just don't want to pay for other people's
children.  It is my business when she asks me to pay for it.  Snide aside:
We always accuse others of what we ourselves do.  I *KNOW* that I have no
children.  Remember the first paragraph?
>>  
>>  Excessive.  Chemical means exist now, and work.  There is a chance that the
>>  individual might get better.  (Note that most crimes of violence are the
>>  result of sickness of mind/spirit.  Whether the illness is curable is
>>  not always clear.)

I don't recall that I advocated anything other than treating sex crimes as
crimes of violence.  I made a sarcastic remark about sharp and dull tools,
but never advocated usage.  
>>  
>>  See above.  Most death row criminals DID think of the penalties beforehand,
>>  and didn't care.  The danger added thrills to the crime.  Sick.
>>  
>>  Hutch

And all that I said was wait until they had finished appealing their innocence
or guilt before executing them.

All in all, Hutch, your response reminds me of a sea shanty entitled "With
My Eighteen Pounder".  In the song the fellow who claims to be soooo well
endowed enumerates a series of sexual interludes in which he fails to take
proper aim (or just doesn't have control) and never hits the spot, as it
were.  And that is about the politest flame you will ever hear.

From the Soapbox of
Tom Condon     {...!uw-beaver!teltone!teldata!tac}

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