Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site uokvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uokvax!jab From: jab@uokvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: May be offensive to UNIX Users - PLE - (nf) Message-ID: <2200055@uokvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Jul-84 18:03:00 EDT Article-I.D.: uokvax.2200055 Posted: Mon Jul 16 18:03:00 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Jul-84 04:24:19 EDT References: <2404@decwrl.UUCP> Lines: 30 Nf-ID: #R:decwrl:-240400:uokvax:2200055:000:1155 Nf-From: uokvax!jab Jul 16 17:03:00 1984 #R:decwrl:-240400:uokvax:2200055:000:1155 uokvax!jab Jul 16 17:03:00 1984 /***** uokvax:net.flame / ihuxi!jaczak / 4:10 pm Jul 14, 1984 */ The reason that you see no books about VMS is that the people at DEC have heard of something that will come as a mild shock to UN*X people. It is called DOCUMENTATION!! /*****************/ Bull. There are many examples of bad Unix documentation, but it is ridiculous to hold up VMS documentation (or MVS documentation) as "the way that things should be". You're just fooling yourselves. It seems to be true that Unix documentation is written for programmers by programmers, and the underlying assumption that the reader has access to the source. The general direction of the Unix documentation needs to be changed from "manual pages" to something a little more thorough, but imitating the RMS documentation from VMS is NOT the way to go. Try giving a casual user who knows C (on Unix) or Fortran (on VMS) the assignment to "write a program that creates a file that has the word 'plugh' in it, following the documentation." On VMS, using RMS, you're dead, since the documentation swamps you with no USEFUL examples. On Unix, you stand a fighting chance. Jeff Bowles Lisle, IL