Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site astrovax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!astrovax!elt From: elt@astrovax.UUCP (Ed Turner) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Firewalking Message-ID: <398@astrovax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Jul-84 09:34:10 EDT Article-I.D.: astrovax.398 Posted: Mon Jul 16 09:34:10 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Jul-84 01:27:28 EDT References: <249@hercules.UUCP> <397@ames-lm.UUCP> Organization: Princeton Univ. Astrophysics Lines: 22 The simplest nontechnical way to see that firewalking is a Liedenfrost effect trick based on elementary physics and not example of mind over body control (or any other semi-mystic explanation) is to note that 1) people not using any "mental techniques" can do it and most importantly 2) using the firewalking mental techniques will not let you escape the consequences of any of a large number of other normally painful acts, such as putting your feet on a less hot object (say a hot skillet) or receiving an electric shock, etc. Rationally firewalking should give ones psyche no more of a boost than say flying in an airplane in which one is "magically" suspended high in the air with no visible means of support. The physics is just a little less well known and a bit less reliable. Of course, as Demosthenes said, "We beleive what we wish to believe." Ed Turner astrovax!elt