Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site fortune.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!fortune!jones From: jones@fortune.UUCP Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: Re: 74S124 as xtal osc - (nf) Message-ID: <3829@fortune.UUCP> Date: Thu, 19-Jul-84 20:07:09 EDT Article-I.D.: fortune.3829 Posted: Thu Jul 19 20:07:09 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 20-Jul-84 04:46:30 EDT Sender: notes@fortune.UUCP Organization: Fortune Systems, Redwood City, CA Lines: 47 #R:utzoo:-402300:fortune:28000045:000:1934 fortune!jones Jul 19 16:44:00 1984 About 5 years ago, when I was at Qantel Corp (before they became MDS Qantel), we went through the engineering drill of deciding whether to continue with gate/oscillator clock circuits. We were pretty heavy into intelligent controllers and had Z80s everywhere. We came to the conclusion that it was better to hand off the problem to somebody else and buy hybrid oscillators. One would think that a manufacturer with control of all the variables would be able to solve all our problems. Well, they did finally but in the early days we saw all the problems: cracked substrates, poor solder seals, out of spec duty cycles, temperature sensitivity, voltage sensitivity, and delayed oscillation. Hybrid oscillators are great, but it pays to test them. As for gate oscillators, the following is from Jim Williams article, _Basic Circuit-design Techniques Yield Stable Clock Oscillators_, in the August 18, 1983 edition of EDN: While gate oscillators are quite popular, they can cause problems ranging from tempermental operation to lack of oscillation. The gain elements are the primary problem source-it's not possible to reliably identify the analog characteristics of digital gates. For example, there's no guarantee that gates from various manufacturers will produce the same results when plugged into the oscillator circuit. In other cases, the circuit will work but the status of the other gates within the package will affect its performance. Finally, some circuits seem to favor certain gate locations within the IC package. Given these difficulties, gate oscillators are not the best possible choice in a PRODUCTION DESIGN. They do deserve mention, however, because they can satisfy noncritical applications. The emphasis is mine. Dan Jones UUCP: {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd,hpda,sri-unix,harpo}!fortune!jones DDD: (415)595-8444 x 440 USPS: Fortune Systems Corp, 101 Twin Dolphin Drive, Redwood City, CA 94065