Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 SMI; site sun.uucp Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hpda!fortune!amd!decwrl!sunny From: sunny@sun.uucp (Sunny Kirsten) Newsgroups: net.philosophy,net.sci,net.misc Subject: Re: Mind and Brain Message-ID: <1556@sun.uucp> Date: Wed, 18-Jul-84 11:32:40 EDT Article-I.D.: sun.1556 Posted: Wed Jul 18 11:32:40 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Jul-84 03:06:36 EDT References: brl-vgr.507 <569@ihuxj.UUCP>, <93@mouton.UUCP>, <1135@rti-sel.UUCP> <3328@brl-tgr.ARPA> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 29 Greetings: How presumptuous, to think that "modern" physics has all the answers, or has the best definition of "energy". Oh, yes, indeed, the "physicists" definition is the one to use when talking of "physical" phenomena. But there are yet phenomena which "physics" fails to explain, and which, in fact, appear to contradict some of the "laws" of "physics". Webster's explains: EN-ER-GY n. [LL energia, fr. Gk energeia activity, fr. energos active, fr. en in + ergon work] 1: the capacity of acting or being active 2: natural power vigorously asserted 3: the capacity for doing work ERG n [Gk ergon work - more at WORK]: a cgs unit of work equal to the work done by a force of one dyne acting through a distance of one centimeter. Ok, so you CAN measure the PSI energy required for a telekinetic to move an object with their mind, based on the existing "physics" definition of energy. Now, tell me it takes no work (energy) for a telepath to send a PSI message, or to receive one. Our "physics" once explained how the sun orbited the earth. It doesn't yet explain everything. PSI phenomena do exist, and obviously some form of "energy" is involved in the process. It also happens to work right through a Faraday cage, so we'll doubt it's an electro-magnetic phenomenon. Let's see, gravity works through Faraday cages, so I guess we'll have to believe in "energy" of the PSI kind, even though we only know about it that it is NOT electromagnetic. PSI is definitely "intellectual work", as Webster's would define it. Go back to your physics lab. There is no life outside of it. Physicists have ALL the answers. And the only useful definitions of words. Dream on... {ucbvax|decvax|ihnp4}!sun!sunny(Sunny Kirsten of Sun Microsystems)