Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!mhuxl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.movies Subject: Re: Movie Flame - (nf) Message-ID: <782@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Tue, 26-Jun-84 08:59:15 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxn.782 Posted: Tue Jun 26 08:59:15 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 28-Jun-84 03:20:01 EDT References: <1683@tekig1.UUCP> <5100024@uok.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 56 > AMEN!! What Rich Rosen said in Response 3, only times ten. Undoubtedly, Mr. > Diehm would like to see nothing more than a net.snobs and net.movies.diehm, > and then, only if they included literature on pretentious Hollywood products > as "My Dinner with Andre." Of course, there are those who enjoy the kind > of movie that in a subtle way tries to tell us all how we are living our > lives wrong, and how Hollywod (in its infinite wisdom) thinks we should live > them. Here's to the discussion of ALL movies in net.movies, not just > restricted to the "Yentl" and related snob-class films..... > David Whitney > !ctvax!uokvax!uok!dwhitney Before I get lumped in with every group that each individual person on this net despises ("those snobs", "those drivel-lovers", "those teenage hooligans", etc.), I think you've missed the point. Mr. Diehm has a right to like whatever movies he chooses, and so does everyone else. And everyone (including Mr. Diehm) has the right to make comments on movies he/she likes... OR DOESN'T LIKE! The point being: the idea of a separate newsgroup for "serious" movies is preposterous and silly. But there's nothing wrong with discussing such movies in this forum, even though most of the movies discussed here do seem to be of the type that mass marketing was made for. If Mr. Diehm can't make direct insightful comments about either movies he likes or movies he hates in a newsgroup he shares with others, that's his problem. But if all Mr. Whitney has to say is that the movies that Mr. Diehm likes are pretentious or somehow demagogical (?) solely for the purpose of insulting Mr. Diehm, then those comments are as inappropriate as Diehm's request for "his own" newsgroup. (Yentl is a *snob-class* film???????? I hesitate to guess what you might think of a movie like Stardust Memories...) Frankly, I have to wonder why people make comments like Mr. Whitney has regarding "serious" movies. Why is a movie like My Dinner with Andre (which does drag but gets better if you're willing to sit through it---most Americans aren't; they want it laid out for them at the beginning like a Clint Eastwood movie) berated as being "pretentious" and "shoving ways to live down your throat" (they just seem insightful to me), while marketing ploys like "E.T. Jones and the Return of the Gremlins", which are designed solely to make you buy fuzzy things, are not shoving things down your throat. Which brings me to another point. I did like E.T. (horrors!), but not Jones or Jedi (not THAT much) or Gremlins. My gripe speaks directly at Gremlins. Can't these so-called Hollywood whiz kids come up with an original idea of their own??????? Spielberg's original ideas over the past years have included adventure film rehash, a "tribute" to a TV series, and (finally) a movie that lifts (grabs!) elements from the Wizard of Oz, It's a Wonderful Life, the Trouble with Tribbles, etc. (If I hear once more that Spielberg wasn't responsible for Gremlins, I'll shoot someone; he was directly involved in the movie---take a look at the credits) Craftmanship is one thing, and the Lucasberg people surely have it and use it VERY VERY well. But after early successes, we haven't seen much in the way of originality. (This sort of reminds me of a "discussion" I had with someone else on a topic related to this---the music of John Williams. Williams is undoubtedly a great craftsman, but apparently in the '80s we simply now have a lower standard of originality. What a shame...) -- WHAT IS YOUR NAME? Rich Rosen WHAT IS YOUR NET ADDRESS? pyuxn!rlr WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OF ASSYRIA? I don't know that ... ARGHHHHHHHH!