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From: lmc@denelcor.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.news.b
Subject: Re: article duplications
Message-ID: <487@denelcor.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 25-Jun-84 14:56:39 EDT
Article-I.D.: denelcor.487
Posted: Mon Jun 25 14:56:39 1984
Date-Received: Thu, 28-Jun-84 04:48:09 EDT
Organization: Denelcor, Aurora, CO
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Concerning the multiple articles on the net I complained about earlier, I
received this message (quoted without permission, hope its ok):

> From: hao!seismo!harpo!whuxle!mp
> Any article that passes through n44a-rna-wjh12 will have its domain
> stripped off and .UUCP added on.  This has been mentioned for months,
> but nobody there seems to notice.   I think Jim Rees posted a fix that
> only compares message IDs up to the first '.'.  and Horton said this
> defeated the purpose of message IDs (essentially article-IDs
> with domains), which were invented to handle the possibility of
> identically-named machines.

	Name: n44a
	Organization: Harvard Medical School
	Contact:
	Electronic-Address:

	Name: wjh12
	Organization: Harvard University, William James Hall
	Contact: Scott Bradner
	Electronic-Address: {genrad|allegra|ihnp4|amd70}!wjh12!sob

	Name: rna
	Organization: Rockefeller University, Dept. of Neurobiology
	Contact: Daniel Ts'o
	Electronic-Address: cmcl2!rna!dan

I would appeal to the above two gentlemen to find the problem (if indeed
the problem is there) and to fix it, and to lean on their unnamed colleague
at HMS to do likewise.  This has got to be costing the net a lot of money
(if that concerns us) and time (which certainly does).

An alternate solution which could be taken temporarily would be to break the
news link somewhere in the loop until the news problem is isolated. News
stats says some 1100 messages every two weeks come from ARPA; potentially
that many duplicate articles are circulating.

This seems to me to be a case in which a central authority (if we had one)
would be able to force a resolution to the matter. In the best of all worlds
we wouldn't need to do that, but unfortunately....

By the way, mp above says that "this has been mentioned for months..".
Out here in the sticks we haven't heard of it, and I've been a steady reader
of net.news.*. Where has it been mentioned? Why hasn't anyone else made
a stink about it? I can't be the only one getting these extra articles.

Oh, yes, here is a header (that came to us via (guess who?)) that originated
at elecvax.SUN:

>  Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site denelcor.UUCP
>  Path: denelcor!hao!seismo!cmcl2!rna!n44a!wjh12!genrad!decvax!mulga!munnari!basser!elecvax!dave
>  From: dave@elecvax.UUCP
>  Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards
>  Subject: Re: XMAGIC: a.out without a valid page 0?
>  Message-ID: <233@elecvax.UUCP>
>  Date: Tue, 12-Jun-84 10:05:33 MDT
>  Article-I.D.: elecvax.233
>  Posted: Tue Jun 12 10:05:33 1984
>  Date-Received: Wed, 13-Jun-84 23:10:10 MDT
>  References: <3732@mordor.UUCP>
>  Lines: 11

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		Lyle McElhaney
		(hao,brl-bmd,nbires,csu-cs,scgvaxd)!denelcor!lmc