Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site uwmacc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hao!seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Proofs of creation Message-ID: <166@uwmacc.UUCP> Date: Fri, 20-Jul-84 18:04:15 EDT Article-I.D.: uwmacc.166 Posted: Fri Jul 20 18:04:15 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 22-Jul-84 05:57:34 EDT References: <116@uwmacc.UUCP> Organization: UWisconsin-Madison Academic Comp Center Lines: 98 This article deals rather generally with the acceptability of the *ideas* of creation and evolution. The thesis is that a created universe is more logical. This of course does not rule out the possibility of theistic evolution, a subject to be addressed in later articles, perhaps. The laws of thermodynamics (I assume no one will question the applicability of these to a discussion of this nature): (i) Conservation of energy. Energy may be transformed in a variety of ways, but can neither be created nor destroyed. So where did energy come from in the first place? Answer: it was created. (ii) Entropy. Every transformation of energy from one form to another involves loss of some of that energy as non-recoverable head energy. This leads ultimately to the so-called "heat death" of the universe. The second law rules out the possibility that the universe is now as it always has been. It also implies a finite age for the universe. Suppose the universe is of infinite age. Then since there is a finite amount of energy in the universe (assuming the universe is a closed system - which must be assumed it was not created), it would all have been converted entropically to non-usable heat and we are therefore living during the heat death: contradiction. Conclusion: the age of the universe is finite. Hence at one time it did not exist. How is it that the universe is? It was created. An implication of this is that since no energy is being created, and since order decreases continually, the universe is, inexorably, winding down. It must at some point have been wound up. How did it get wound up? Answer: it was created that way. A common objection to the use of the second law as support for a created universe and as evidence against evolution is that it only applies to a closed system, i.e., increases in order or complexity of localized open systems are perfectly possible, by a process of energy transfer into the open system (e.g., the earth as an open system receives energy from the sun). This would be perhaps a valid idea if it were maintained that evolution occurs only on the earth, or in some finite number of open systems within the universe. The difficulty with this is of course the question of why evolution should restrict itself to localized areas, and of course this restriction has not been accepted by proponents of evolution, as exemplefied by the quotes below. "The concept of evolution was soon extended into other than biological fields. In organic subjects such as the life-histories of stars and the formation of the chemical elements on the one hand, and on the other hand subjects like linguistics, social anthropology, and comparative law and religion, began to be studied from an evolutionary angle, until today we are enabled to see evolution as a universal and all-pervading process." Julian Huxley. Evolution and Genetics. Ch. 8 in "What is Science?" (J R Newman, ed), New York, Simon and Schuster, 1955, p. 272. "Furthermore, with the adoption of the evolutionary approach in non-biological fields, from cosmology to human affairs, we are beginning to realize that biological evolution is only one aspect of evolution in general. Evolution in the extended sense can be defined as a directional and essentially irreversible process occurring in time, which in its course gives rise to an increase of variety and an increasingly high level of organization in its products. Our present knowledge indeed forces us to the view that the whole of reality *is* evolution - a single process of self-transformation." ibid, p. 278. "Most enlightened persons now accept as a fact that everything in the cosmos - from heavenly bodies to human beings - developed and continues to devolop through evolutionary processes. The great religions of the West have come to accept a historical view of creation. Evolutionary concepts are applied also to social instututions and to the arts. Indeed, most political parties, as well as schools of theology, sociology, history, or arts, teach these concepts and make them the basis of their doctrine. Thus, theoretical biology now pervades all of Western culture indirectly through the concept of progressive historical change." Rene Dubos. "Humanistic Biology," American Scientist, v. 53, March 1965, p. 6. P.S. After writing the above, I have just read an article which makes a couple of references to miscrepresentation of the 2nd law by creationists. If I am guilty of that error, I trust that someone will point out why. -- Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois And he is before all things, and by him all things consist... Colossians 1:17