Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Absurdity Revisited: A Perfect Example Message-ID: <860@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Jul-84 09:10:45 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxn.860 Posted: Mon Jul 16 09:10:45 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Jul-84 01:21:14 EDT References: <146@usfbobo.UUCP>, <852@pyuxn.UUCP> <149@usfbobo.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 78 My first question is: Who cloned Ken Arndt? >> Apparently "The Song of Wise Men" tells our friend here that HIS beliefs >> are, in fact, the correct ones. He certainly avoids that dangerous modern >> notion of open-mindedness. > > friend? avoids? dangerous? There seems to be a communication problem > here! Substitute *enemy*, *debunks*, and *ridiculous* respectively. Debunking requires erosion of the foundations of an idea through logical reasoning. You have not done any debunking. Nor have you shown why you feel that open-mindedness is "ridiculous" (though your preception of what open-mindedness might qualify). And if you are indeed "our enemy" and not "our friend", it is by your choice. > The real problem is *perversion of values*. The "open-minded" > acceptor of Lou-Grantisms *alters* his notion of *sin*. And the closed-minded acceptor of whatever he's told to believe doesn't. Certainly not based on any concept of rational thought. Some people have a rational system of values. >>> I can be a flaming homosexual and influence >>> others to do likewise, > >> Horrors! Being a flaming homosexual! (Quick, get a bucket of water! :-) > > A weak and sickly attempt at humor. To complement your weak and sickly attempt at attacking people for no good reason. >> The one statement that intrigued me was "I can be a flaming homosexual and >> influence others to do likewise." But Mr. Brunson can write articles and >> be a flaming... uh... (rectal orifice? naaah!) religionist and influence >> other people to do so! Isn't that horrible? No? Oh, I see, it's different. >> Being a homosexual is a naughty bad thing, but proselytizing religious values >> is O.K. Do you just take that for granted or is there a reason for that >> (obvious?) point of view. Perhaps the fact that I don't think that it is >> obvious is another sign of dangerous "open-mindedness" ("Don't bother to >> think about *why* that's bad! I *said* it is!!!"). > Ho Hum. Substitute "naughty bad" with *weak pathetic*, and yes, "prosely- > tizing religious values" *is* a good thing. Until you can give an objective answer to the question "*Why* is it such a good thing?", please refrain from dumping it on the rest of us. Readers will note in the doubly indented paragraph above, I asked "Do you just take that for granted or is there is reason for that (obvious?) point of view?" It's certainly not "obvious" to me. And it's probably not obvious to many others. Why don't you explain to us just why it is so obvious? Without such an explanation, it is YOUR ideals that are weak and pathetic. >> If it doesn't change your life, it's not worth doing. > He got *that* right, anyway. Since I doubt that anything will change Mr. Brunson's life, I guess nothing in his life would thus be worth doing if he agrees with that statement. I think he "agrees" with it in the sense that "whatever changes my life to make it more like his would be worth doing from his perspective?". Am I assuming too much? > What?? You mean you *don't* read the Bible every day? I don't > understand -- how do you ever expect to *learn* anything? By reading more objective and rational materials as a source of knowledge. I'll read the Bible when I want some nice storytelling. Either Mr. Brunson is a recent graduate of the Ken Arndt School of Human Relations (summa cum laude, I'd think), or he's a non-religionist trying to make religious people look bad. (Nobody, with few exceptions, could possibly be as ridiculously closed-brained as this.) If the latter is true, please refrain from going out of your way to make religionists look bad. They do a fine job all by themselves. (ONLY KIDDING!! Was making joke!!!) :-) -- WHAT IS YOUR NAME? Rich Rosen WHAT IS YOUR NET ADDRESS? pyuxn!rlr WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OF ASSYRIA? I don't know that ... ARGHHHHHHHH!