Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site opus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!cires!nbires!opus!rcd From: rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: Happy as a homosexual Message-ID: <577@opus.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Jul-84 01:38:24 EDT Article-I.D.: opus.577 Posted: Wed Jul 4 01:38:24 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 1-Jul-84 04:24:11 EDT References: <3577@fortune.UUCP>, <1551@seismo.UUCP> <8116@watmath.UUCP> Organization: NBI, Boulder Lines: 41 >>> I personally chose to be gay because I think most straight men are your >>> egotistical, chauvanist, insensitive, macho assholes, who treat women like >>> they're here on this earth to serve them... >> >>Kiddo, if you think that is either happy or well-adjusted, I beg to differ. > >It seems that to you men-hater = unhappy and not "well-adjusted". > >Not well-adjusted to what? to the way men around her have acted? >What do you consider to be a good way to adjust to such a situation? >hang around with the jerks, taking dirt from them... I have to disagree strongly with Sophie (>) in defending the original (>>>) statement even a little bit. I, for one, will NOT be labeled "...macho asshole" just because of my particular combination of genitalia and sexual preference. That is arrogant and offensive sexism, about as blatant as it gets. As for well-adjusted, that's a judgment call in any case but I'd say that people who hate a large proportion of the human race have NEVER been considered well-adjusted, and I hope that norm remains. As for the matter of happiness...let me extract another item from Sophie's followup: >If I was surrounded by men who are jerks and women who are nice, >I'd do the same. Fortunately for me I am surrounded by men and >women who are nice, so I can basically choose to do what I want. Now, do I believe that Sophie (and myself) just happen to be in another area of the universe where heterosexual males just happen not to be egotistical blah blah macho assholes? No, I think that probably Sophie is basically a happy person, and that enables her to find more good in more people. And, little surprise, people are probably more likely to be fair, kind, and even loving toward you if you regard them favorably. (I keep learning that lesson bit by bit, and each time I learn a little more, I'm rewarded.) There are assholes in both sexes and both sexual preferences. You can seek them out and encourage them, or avoid them and/or discourage them. There are a lot more people who can be obnoxious to the opposite sex but most of them are educable, particularly if you regard them as ignorant rather than stupid or whatever. (Old saying: Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance.) -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been.