Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxe.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!ihuxe!rainbow From: rainbow@ihuxe.UUCP Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: my defense to Julie Hoff Message-ID: <703@ihuxe.UUCP> Date: Sat, 30-Jun-84 21:54:45 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxe.703 Posted: Sat Jun 30 21:54:45 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 1-Jul-84 07:33:20 EDT Sender: rainbow@ihuxe.UUCP Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 45 First, Greg Woods has conveniently removed his article so that I no longer have any references to exactly what got me a might peaved off. Second, Trish's article has long since expired, so its very difficult to judge exactly what her original meaning and context was. I do remember thinking how keen and accurate her opinions were. Following that though I saw a number of articles with partial quotes which were then torn apart. I did not think Trish was getting a fair shake, so I ripped into one of them myself giving it about as much mercy as it in turn showed. I know I overdid it. But I felt it was no different than what many others have done. Third, I figured if I was going to reply at all, I might as well go all out. Why waste everyone's time with minor gripes. I got the impression people were looking for controversy. At least they were trying very hard to create it. I gave it to them. At least it gets the point across because it leaves an impression. Fourth, I don't think Trish hates men in general or is angry with them. Neither do I for that matter. I don't know where people got this idea. I made that clear in the article. At least I thought I did. I based my comments with respect to that opinion. If I am wrong and Trish does bear malicious feelings toward men, I will retract my statements. On the other hand if she doesn't, I think a good number of people have done her wrong. This appears to be the key issue at stake here. Perhaps we should ask for clarification. Find out if Trish only has a low opinion of many men or if she hates them all with a vengeance. Fifth, I never referred to "ALL" men in my article. I consistantly used the term "MANY". At least I hope so because otherwise I deserve a lot of flames. And I never said anything about men being terrible and calling them assholes. Once again we have partial quotes with the writer making inferences to suit their comments. My reason for flaming in the first place. Sixth, a good majority of men have two sides to themselves. The one I see in unmixed company and the one you as a female(and I) see in mixed company. I can make accurate comparisons. You can't. And my opinion is that many men show a great lack of consideration towards women. This I felt was the opinion Trish was trying to express. Her ratios might need some work but she was trying to make a point. And if you disagree, your entitled. But I also think you're just fooling yourself. But you're entitled to do that also. Just as Trish is entitled to avoid the entire situation. And I'm entitled to my opinions. Where did some selected people get the right to not allow us our thoughts and to tell us what the proper and correct way of thinking is?