Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site aesat.UUCP Path: utzoo!aesat!rwh From: rwh@aesat.UUCP (Russell Herman) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: pedestalization - an alternative view Message-ID: <178@aesat.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Jul-84 22:27:59 EDT Article-I.D.: aesat.178 Posted: Wed Jul 4 22:27:59 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Jul-84 05:14:04 EDT Organization: AES Data Inc., Mississauga Ont., Canada Lines: 48 Once upon a time, not that long ago, different ideas were being set forth around pedestalization. I'd like to stimulate some thought with these, presenting my own comments at a later time. Below is an excerpt from "Psychology of Sex Relations" by Theodore Reik, originally published in 1945 and reprinted by Grove Press as an Evergreen Black Cat Edition in 1966. Theodore Reik was a student of Freud who remained within that framework during his career, although certainly not to the point of orthodoxy. He wrote extensively from the 40's to the early 60's, and was, in some ways, the Theodore Isaac Rubin of his era. His writings had a profound influence on me in my university days in the early 60's, and although he would strike modern readers as being a little too gender-deterministic, I believe that his writings are interesting to anyone capable of suspending disbelief of the Freudian framework. Love is an escape from oneself, an antidote for the self-dislike and sometimes even for the self-hate which [people] feel... If they are satisfied with themselves,they cannot be touched by love. ...What is the cause of dissatisfaction with themselves? These persons feel unconsciously frustrated and inadequate because they compare what they are with what they wish to be, what they accomplish with what they desire to achieve. They find themselves incapable of living up to their expectations of themselves. ...The occurrence and reoccurrence of this self-critical factor is a significant trait in ambitious characters who make high demands of themselves. ...The discord within the self is determined by an unconscous comparison between our actual ego and the ideal person we would like to be, who is handsomer, better, cleverer, more courageous, and more efficient than we. Almost everybody creates in late childhood the image of such a nobler self. We call it his ego-ideal. ...The ego ideal is our wishful self. A beloved person will take its place later on; she is its transformation into real life. She is the dream of a nobler self which became true. What we could not reach in ourselves, she fulfills in her own person. In her the fantasy becomes flesh. The love-object has those qualities we sadly lack, achieves where we fail, fulfills the expectations we had to renounce for ourselves. -- ______ Russ Herman / \ {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!aesat!rwh @( ? ? )@ ( || ) The opinions above are strictly personal, and ( \__/ ) do not reflect those of my employer (or even \____/ possibly myself an hour from now.)