Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-amber!eirikur From: eirikur@amber.DEC (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: We aren't that simple. Message-ID: <2408@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Jul-84 17:15:41 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.2408 Posted: Mon Jul 9 17:15:41 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Jul-84 00:32:31 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 39 From what a lot of people are saying these days, I get the impression that many think that sex roles are simple stuff--costumes, physical and emotional, and a little posturing. Like, maybe we could make them go away if we yanked the trappings, and waited a couple of generations. I used to believe this, and it *may* be true, but sex roles *evolved*, in the cultural sense, and like most things that 'jest grew' they're horribly complicated, and very well adapted. I don't think that they can be wished (or legislated) out of existence. Because they serve a need. Culture abhors a vacuum. (Shava Nerad, where are you?) Courtship, (or a replacement protocol) has to happen. Kids have to be born, and wear designer jeans, watch too much tv, eat junk food, etc, (or your local period/regional variants) and then raise kids themselves. This *has* to happen. (Dag Hammarskjold said something on the order of 'What has to happen is going to happen.' I'll extend that to saying that there will be a means.) Anyway, the point of this article is that sex roles are deep-rooted, primary parts of humanity, (we have been discussing how hard it can be to buck them!). They have to work in the general case. What if sex roles only worked for a given sub-population? One generation later, their descendants would be the only population. Hence, they work. They're ill fitting, and hurt a lot these days, though. Maybe we can grow them so that they better fit the us of now. Cultural bonzai doesn't have a good track record, so I suspect that they won't ever be what we want them to be (even if we could agree). They'll just fit us better, (and be more fit--pun semi-intended). Deep rooted, I say. For example, and more relevant to net.motss--I haven't ever seen a gay or lesbian relationship that did not *most of the time* exhibit differential 'sex roles.' They may swap or submerge, but from what I've seen, they surface daily. They're so solidly a part of us that they persist when they're not relevant. Comments? Eirikur Hallgrimsson Mon 9-Jul-1984 17:13 Marlborough uncorrected time.