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From: sdyer@bbncca.ARPA (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: Experiential Processes
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Date: Tue, 10-Jul-84 13:52:59 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jul 10 13:52:59 1984
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	>While I might personally not agree the concepts spouted by
	>Lifesprint or EST, and while I might not enjoy the company of the
	>people who have gone through them (my experience with 99.9% of
	>EST grads is that they are now obnoxious boors with superegos
	>where their brains used to be) but their techniques are safe when
	>applied properly.

Really, Chuq!  Such ad hominem remarks!  Rather reminds me of Trish's
comments about 99.9% of men :-).  Of course, est graduates are so together
that they'd NEVER counter-flame about being the target of such a
comment :-) :-).

	>They DO help people who have self-image problems get a better
	>handle on asserting themselves. Most of the techniques they use
	>are straight out of our dear friend B.F.Skinner.

I think you do a great disservice to most people who decide that such
programs could be of value to them.  Most of the people I have met who
have taken the est training are not people with self-image or assertiveness
problems.  I was not, and am not, someone with either problem, and the
content of the est training deals minimally, if at all, with issues like
these.  Better you should go to a karate school to get assertive.
By no stretch of the imagination could you compare Skinnerian techniques
of reinforcement with what is presented in the training.  I don't know where
you even got that idea.
-- 
/Steve Dyer
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