Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.singles,net.motss Subject: Re: We aren't that simple. Message-ID: <845@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Wed, 11-Jul-84 19:58:26 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxn.845 Posted: Wed Jul 11 19:58:26 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Jul-84 04:58:41 EDT References: <2408@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 32 > Anyway, the point of this article is that sex roles are deep-rooted, > primary parts of humanity, (we have been discussing how hard it can be to > buck them!). They have to work in the general case. What if sex roles only > worked for a given sub-population? One generation later, their descendants > would be the only population. Hence, they work. They're ill fitting, and > hurt a lot these days, though. > > I haven't ever seen a gay or lesbian relationship that did not *most of the > time* exhibit differential 'sex roles.' They may swap or submerge, but from > what I've seen, they surface daily. They're so solidly a part of us that > they persist when they're not relevant. > Eirikur Hallgrimsson This assumes only one set of sex roles, involving two people, one male & one female, with fixed societally prescribed roles. A society where the roles are more important than the people who have to fulfill them strikes me as rather ridiculous. People having relationships in which the relators relate only in fixed predetermined ways is the surest way to stifle individuality. It's akin to the "roles" described in transactional analysis---parent, child, adult. The roles don't imply that only particular people get to live them out based on their having been labelled as "parent", "child", etc. (I'm not a big fan of transactional analysis precisely because it *labels* the roles and idnetifies them with particular types of people.) Roles of "husband" and "wife" fit under the same umbrella. Why is anyone, in any type or relationship (heterosexual/homosexual) somehow expected to live out a particular role? Why is anyone expected to live out any such role, and why are people in relationships expected to take on such pre-ordained complimentary/contrary/antipodal roles? -- "So, it was all a dream!" --Mr. Pither "No, dear, this is the dream; you're still in the cell." --his mother Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr