Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-amber!chabot From: chabot@amber.DEC (Lisa S. Chabot) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: disgusting! Message-ID: <2594@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Jul-84 11:03:14 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.2594 Posted: Mon Jul 16 11:03:14 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Jul-84 06:29:08 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 113 GEORGE = > Subject: Trish,homosexuals, and dating Posted: Mon Jul 9 07:50:02 1984 > I know of many men who are totally withdrawn from contact with women > for fear of rejection. These guys are afraid of the typical woman who > (with or without malice and forthought) allows a man to "wine and dine" > and fork over the bucks for her- only to tell him to shove off next week. > I known several otherwise good, honest women who have used their sexuallity > to subsidize their incomes in this way. ... > I'm married, but if I was back in the market again one principle to > which I would strongly adhere would be to make the first and second date > a mutually pleasing- costless outing; playing tennis, bicycling or going > to the zoo,etc. A chance to feel each other out with nothing but some > time invested for both parties. This outlook on single life, as expressed in phrases like "in the market" and "fork over the bucks for her", is a rather depressing one, and I think is a sign of some mental disturbance. However much trouble I have respecting this outlook, I will allow that those who view being single as a hunt through a meat market should have the right to carry on their lives as they see fit-- as long as they stay away from me.:-) The fear of rejection is a goblin for many of us here in net.singles-land, women and men and small furry creatures included. But this stated relation between rejection and mere monetary loss cheapens life. Also, the line about women using their sexuality to subsidize their incomes in the form of being taken out for dinner - is this your opinion, GEORGE, or have the women admitted as much, or is this just common knowledge (you know, everybody knows that's what women are doing in dating. hey, then that's why women can be paid less for equal work---ARRGH). Subject: Clearing it all up -Telling it like it is Posted: Fri Jul 13 10:44:40 1984 > Trish, if a guy on a date with an SO didn't want to get into her pants > HE WOULDN'T BE NORMAL! Lets put all the christian ethic nonsense which > is responsible for equating sex with evil and warping everyones mind > and tell it like it is! The bottom line IS some bottom :-) Better men > just know how to handle themselves in a civilized and gentlemanly manner > in obtaining said neccessity of life. Okay, first of all, what Ms. Millines said was: (Trish = < ) Subject: Clearing it all up Posted: Thu Jul 12 10:32:55 1984 < 1. Dates a woman because he really likes her instead of wanting to get < into her pants. So, this says "woman" not "SO". Most people I know define "SO" as "Significant Other". However, we know from a previous letter from GEORGE that Subject: Re: SO what? Posted: Thu Jun 28 11:04:14 1984 > I thought SO meant "sex object". If GEORGE still holds to this definition, then his paragraph about getting into pants means "If a guy on a date with a Sex Object didn't want to get into her pants, he wouldn't be normal." Well, I suppose this is true (unless, of course, the Sex Object is a hamster, since everyone knows hamsters wear tutus) but the translation from Trish's "woman" to GEORGE's "Sex Object" should disturb more of net.singles than just me, no? But it's not the "christian ethic" which equates "sex with evil and warping everyones mind" - what is evil here is the view, which I see in these letters from GEORGE and one or so others, that women are sex objects, that singles are in a market (as opposed to singles are looking for singles to spend time with), and the view of the "_typical_ woman who (with or without malice [aforethought]) allows a man to 'wine and dine' and fork over the bucks for her - only to tell him to shove off next week" [_s mine --lsc]; the evil is in not seeing people as people, the evil is in seeing people as meat, slightly mobile meat which dances in set patterns, patterns of woman fooling man into feeding her, and the woman's blind being the unavoidable and necessary lure of sex. It's interesting that sex is declared as a necessity of life, as if this is something without which we would wither and die--I know I described the readers of net.singles as "women and men and small furry creatures", but are there REALLY any moties* out there reading this? And a final note, with an apology for pulling this muck through net.singles again: Subject: Clearing it all up -Telling it like it is Posted: Fri Jul 13 10:44:40 1984 > As far as you go, Trish, George Carlin said it "Have you ever noticed > that the chicks who are against abortion are the ones you wouldn't want > to f*ck anyway?"! I take this to mean that GEORGE (not Carlin) doesn't want to get into Trish's pants. I'm incredibly relieved. Not knowing either except through the media of net.*, I believe I can, however, extrapolate that Trish would find such attentions unwelcome. But anyway, offers and rejections don't belong on the net. The crudity of GEORGE's implication is as unwelcome as the gratuitous name calling we've seen earlier this month in the discussion about bigots. GEORGE's little "joke" has no place anywhere except perhaps a junior high locker room (we will allow ourselves a little time to mature emotionally and grow used to our physical maturity), but few of us still frequent such places. But to those of you who resort to name-calling, especially those who fling names at those who persist in merely disagreeing and resist returning the mud: watsa matta you chickens, ya afraid to go play in net.flame widda big kids! You should be: it's been pretty paltry bile. So a suggestion--if you really want to know how to fling dirt, go practice in net.flame; people like it there, they don't like it here. L S Chabot UUCP: ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-amber!chabot ARPA: ...chabot%amber.DEC@decwrl.ARPA USFail: DEC, MR03-1/K20, 2 Iron Way, Marlborough, MA 01752 * Footnote: from _The_Mote_in_God's_Eye_.