Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site opus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!cires!nbires!opus!rcd From: rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Pleasing your partner??? Message-ID: <611@opus.UUCP> Date: Mon, 23-Jul-84 02:59:22 EDT Article-I.D.: opus.611 Posted: Mon Jul 23 02:59:22 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Jul-84 01:48:46 EDT Organization: NBI, Boulder Lines: 35 In several recent postings here, I've seen allusions to the idea of "pleasing your partner" - in the sexual sense. I find the phrase a little bit curious, in the following sense: It seems to connote either an objective or an obligation, and both connotations seem out of place. I certainly don't see a woman's role during sex as one of "pleasing" me. (I'm assuming heterosexuality simply to make the phrasing easier and because that's my own inclination.) If it comes to that, it's not lovemaking; it's just masturbation, and I can do that just fine by myself, thank you. (No help needed; I've had plenty of practice over the years:-) By the same token, I don't see my goal as that of pleasing a woman. I don't buy the way that smacks of a "performance". Turning sex into a performance is an invitation to unhappy results, in my experience. In fact, I don't see sex, in the form which we call "lovemaking", as being goal-oriented, and I think that trying to cast it in that light only confuses it. It makes it far too easy to get into a game of counting and keeping score. ("Gee, I'm sorry. I owe you one.") It just isn't like going to a movie, or to dinner, where you may let external circumstances favor one partner or the other. (For example, you may go to a movie that you're only lukewarm about if your partner is really interested in seeing it.) First, there aren't that many external circumstances to deal with; it's just the two of you. (Again, I'm assuming "two" just because of my own inclination.:-) Second, and I guess this is really what I'm getting at, focusing on EITHER yourself OR your partner is missing the point. It's the union of the two that counts, and you can't separate out either member of the union without losing something in the process. In the way I see it, it isn't possible for either partner to be pleased if the other isn't. Is this an unusual view? -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...I'm not cynical - just experienced.