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From: alan@allegra.UUCP (Alan S. Driscoll)
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Subject: Re: Drippy faucets (What can we do?)
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Date: Wed, 18-Jul-84 02:21:50 EDT
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[ Real Men don't tell Real Men jokes.  :-) ]

Rich,

Some people consider this discussion pointless, and just want
to see it die.  I'd rather see something positive come out of
it.  Hence, the subtitle, "What can we do?"

We can argue ad nauseum about how bad things really are.  In
my experience, they are not as bad as you say.  On the other
hand, in Trish's experience, they are.  Maybe Trish has been
hanging out with assholes.  Maybe I've been hanging out with
unusually sensitive people and have insulated myself from the
real world.  Who can say?

At any rate, whether our culture is really rotten to the core,
or just a bit rotten, eventually, we should talk about how we
can improve things.  This is the part of my article which you
failed to address.

I said:

> Trish's hostility is not productive.  It will *never* help
> the situation.

You had nothing to say about this.  In fact, I haven't heard
any constructive suggestions from you, just complaints.

I have made a number of suggestions.  For starters, if we are
going to get anywhere, we're going to have to have to discard
destructive feelings/actions, such as anger and blaming.

By the way, your article supports a common myth, that men are
"winners" and women are "losers" in our culture, a myth which
encourages anger and blaming.  I don't buy it, though.  Sure,
the Real Man makes more money for doing the same job, but does
he get to enjoy it?  No, he drops dead at 50 of a heart attack
because he doesn't know how to feel.  You call that winning?

So, let's hear some solutions.  What do *you* think we can do,
Rich?

-- 

	Alan S. Driscoll
	AT&T Bell Laboratories