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From: agust@spuxll.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.singles,net.women
Subject: Re: Clearing it all up (long response)
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Date: Tue, 17-Jul-84 15:27:26 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jul 17 15:27:26 1984
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[the line eater is an insensitive macho bigot]

>1. I am very happy being gay. period.
Good for you.  I'm very happy being a man.

>2. I have men friends, but I wouldn't give them the time of day on a 
    romantic basis.
Sounds like Trish is saying "some of my best frieds are (generic other) but
I wouldn't want my (relative) going out with one.

>6. My opinion of men will never change, because society won't let men
>   change.  Think about it!!!
Who says that men have to wait for society to allow change.  You made a 
change in your life that most of society doesn't accept.  If your saying
that your better that any man could ever be then you must have one hell
of an ego problem.

>7. I think that men could be sensitive and caring, but that's uncool for
>   them, because they think they have to be tough.  Think about that too!!
What makes you think that you are the only one that can buck society by
being different.  Men are sensative maybe not all men but many.  The stigma
that was once associated with a man showing his emotions has lessened
in the last few years (thank goodness).  Not all men make use of this 
new freedom but that is an individuals problem.

>8. I am not a bigot nor a man-hater.  I don't hate anyone, but I do dislike
>   some folks.
Your words show hate even if you won't admit it.

>9. I have a variety of friends; gay, straight, male, & female.
see number 2.

>... opinions won't change until average everyday man:

>2. Treats a woman with respect.
If a man doesn't treat a woman with respect that man will soon 
  find himself very lonely.  I find it hard to believe that most men
  are this insensitive.  If you haven't been treated with respect
  maybe it's because you don't deserve it. ( sorry couldn't help myself :+)

>4. Stops talking about his SO around his friends like she's a burden.
Agreed any one ,male or female, that does this is a slob.

>5. Decides that macho is not the only feelings he can have.
Macho is not a feeling it is an attitude and a lousy one at that.
I don't think it is as prevalent as the media and you seem to want
to believe.

>6. Starts admitting to his friends that he is sensitive and stops acting
>   like he's so tough.
Maybe you've never seen this but I have from both sides.  I believe
that most males express there feelings more openly to each other 
than they do to another female.  This is not always true, I (probably
others too) feel perfectly at ease expressing myself to my spouse.
The "macho" (God I hate that word) facade is used to impress female
more than it is used to impress men.

>8. Stops thinking that he has the right to have an affair, because that's
>   part of being a man. (by the way, any woman who believes that shit and
>   puts up with it is STUPID. period)
Just cause someone cheated on you doesn't mean that all men cheat on their
SO.  If they do then they are louses.  What evidence do you have that 
cheating is a male only activity.  I realize there are exeptions (MOTSS)
but in general the type of cheating you are referring to needs a MOTOS.  
This means that the blame must fall on both sexes.

>10. Doesn't parade his pretty SO around like she's an object.
                    ***
The posessive is yours in this statement.  If you feel that a male/female
relationship is possesive then the attitude problem is yours.  If your
SO seems to be parading you around maybe its because there is pride in 
having a relationship with a wonderful person.  If the display is purely
to impress based on looks then something is wrong with the relationship
and both of the members in it.

>12. Will stop saying that women are hard to understand and fickle.
Women are hard to understand and are fickle, but so are men.  Thats because
people try to establish a set way of handling a type of person.  Much
like your attitude that men are crass and unfeeling.  These types of 
statements are usually made by people that refuse to accept anything
accept their way of life.  If you refuse to change your attitude because
because someone else refuses to change theirs then you are both wrong.
Kind of like the arms talks.

>By the way, I'm not saying that all women are wonderful and fault-free either.
>However, I do believe that the majority of the women are o.k. and have had
>enough of this garbage from men....
This sounds like the red neck who says:

"Yeah there are some bad whites but most of us are ok and the (ethnics)
are the main reason this world is fucked up."

Your statements sound bigoted even if you don't admit it, sorry.

Sorry this got so long but some of us crass insensitive bastards just 
can't stand facing up to the truth.  (sarcasm in case you missed it.)

Icelandic Cowboy
Agust K. G.
...!spuxll!agust