Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gatech.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!drutx!houxe!hogpc!houti!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!akgua!gatech!spaf From: spaf@gatech.UUCP Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: A different subject Message-ID: <9049@gatech.UUCP> Date: Thu, 19-Jul-84 09:58:15 EDT Article-I.D.: gatech.9049 Posted: Thu Jul 19 09:58:15 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 22-Jul-84 03:30:35 EDT Organization: The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech Lines: 272 I think the following might be amusing and/or valuable to some of the readers of this group. I found it posted in net.misc and figured I'd report is here. It was originally posted by mj@zeus (Tektronix). >Caring, Sharing, Relating, The man/woman trend of today >[Copied without permission from Mother Jones] >by Charlie Haas > >Jill (not her real name, which is Alison) is 33. With her high cheekbones, >friendly smile and good posture, she could easily be taken for a >new-products-marketing group head, or perhaps a planning-and-development >research coordinator. Surprisingly, though, she is an administrative policy >liason, working at a large Chicago corporation. > >A few weeks ago, Jill met Kevin (Michael, actually), 41. People who meet >Kevin feel instantly drawn toward him, and Jill was no exception. With his >lean, spare body and easygoing manner, Kevin has the look of a telephone >lineman who fools you by not looking anything like a telephone lineman and >instead resembling a shale derivatives consultant. He is a bassoonist. > >The two met at the Jade Palate, a fashionable Chinese restaurant on the >North Side. "He overheard me ordering the Five Happiness Special Sea >Biscuits," Jill remembers. "and he leaned over and said, 'Not without a >side of gamma globulin, you don't.' Well, I'm not normally that impulsive >about things, but I switched to the Chicken With Flavor Taste right away. A >week later, we were living together." > >"At first, it was incredibly intense," she continues. "We had both 'been >with' people before--Kevin had been married, in fact--but neither of us had >felt so close to anybody. Other men would listen to my life story, but >Kevin actually optioned it. I had sometimes had a hard time in >relationships before, and at first I had a lot of trouble letting myself be >comfortable with being vulnerable--vulnerable to what, I'm not sure, maybe >just to being comfortable. And I wondered if being open to being vulnerable >to being trusted to be comforable being honest still lets you be free, or if >you have to close off some of the closeness in order to have the selfness as >well as the otherness. I felt that we were moving out of a place that was >'we' into a place that was 'us'; from 'each other' into 'one another.' And >I guess I didn't know if I was ready for that. > >Kevin, too, remembers the early days of the relationship as exhilarating and >special. "With Jill," he says, "I felt that I was discovering all kinds of >intimate places inside myself. My pancreas, for example, is shaped like a >little booth at a cocktail lounge, and of course it's pretty dark in there." > >Soon, though, Jill began to feel that "something was missing. I was >discovering that I wanted a deeper kind of commitment," she says. "More >than that, I found myself wanting all kinds of things that my parents had >wanted, things I thought I would never want. Wrought iron, particularly." > >"We both felt that the relationship wasn't going anywhere. Finally, a few >weeks ago, we were shopping together for tile grout at Handier Than Thou, >and just as we were deciding to spend a few pennies more for the added >convenience of a premixed product, I suddenly had this, like, breakthrough, >where I said, 'Wow, O.K., I know exactly what I want from this relationship.' > >"What I wanted, it turned out, was to have our relationship written about in >a magazine article on contemporary relationships. I wanted to explore; I >wanted to test myself as an interview subject; I wanted to see what my >not-real name would be. I wanted to be quoted saying things like, 'At >first, it was incredibly intense' and 'I wanted a deeper kind of >commitment.' And, of course, I wanted to see how many of my friends would >figure out it was me. Because that's what I think is happening with men and >women now: they're either writing articles about their relationshsips or >being interviewed about them. People are carrying on about themselves in >print in a way that, even a few years ago, would have seemed impossibly >dreary. And I think that's a positive, positive thing." > >Jill and Kevin's story is real, although the two of them are phonys. And >their story is important, because it is not only their story but the story >of countless other couples on the change-torn, contradiction-littered >battleground of contemporary relationships. All of a sudden and all over >the place, it seems, men and women are warning each other off questionable >seafood dishes, experiencing insights while purchasing tile-related >products, and using up magazine space that would otherwise have gone to >stories about people who were clinically dead and "saw a warm, pulsating >light" or to profiles of Debra Winger. And it is crucially important that >we understand the reason for this, as we enter the early mid-1980's if we >are to succeed in our struggle to build a more decent, caring, humane, >sharing, honest, open, loyal, thrifty, clean and cheerful society. > >Dr. Richard Brain is a professor of Sheetrock Psychology at Johns-Manville- >Hopkins University in Teaberry Shuffle, New Jersey, and the author of Up the >Self With Gun and Chimera (Macmillan & Wife, 1982). "Relationships," he >posits, "are the human potential workshops of the '80s--in the same sense >that human potential workshops were the peace marches of the '70s, and that >peace marches were the Johnny-Mathis-records-and-little-hot-dog-and-biscuit- >dough-hors-d'oeuvre parties of the '60s, and so on back down the line." > >If what Brain says is true, then he is right. Some background may be >helpful. During the long sleep of the Eisenhower years, sex was something >"dirty," unnatural and very much restricted. In many states, laws placed >stringent limits on breast size and penis length--freedoms that, today, we >take almost for granted. But then came the '60s--a turbulent decade of >turmoil, or ferment, or fomented torment. For many, the lyrics of >rock-prophet Bob Dylan seemed to sum it all up: "Now your dancing child with >his Chinese suit, / He spoke to me, I took his flute, / No, I wasn't very >cute to him, ' Was I?" The very foundations of society seemed to be >shaking, as long-held assumptions were questioned. Who were we? Why were >we here? Where were we going? Were we there yet? When were we going to be >there? NOW were we there yet? > >But the '70s held few answers. We seemed to be hurtling into a new, >terrifyingly uncertain time, as sex roles, standards of conduct, even car >shapes, underwent rapid alterations. The Muppets rushed into the vacuum the >Beatles had left; John Heard was the new screen idol for all who could >remember which one he was. The Pill had revolutionized sexuality. I think >I meant William Hurt back there. Reeling from assassinations, from Vietnam, >from Watergate, we hungered for a portentous, yackety style of journalizm >that could put all the pieces together. But chilling new deterrents to sex >were on the horizon: herpes, AIDS, the Grace Jones look. This whole analysis >is valid because I say so, and Jill (not her real name) is glad I do. "I'd >hate to be in an article like this," she say, "and then have them leave out >the phrase 'the long sleep of the Eisenhower years.'" > >Nowhere was the new freedom felt more keenly than among magazine writers, >who turned their attention to the precise documenting of trends in "personal >growth" and in male-female relationships--a doubly difficult task since, >before being documented, the trends had to be fabricated, often on the basis >of a single incident in the life of a writer or a friend. The birth of the >subgenre of "confessional journalism" was "an enormously fortunate thing for >writers," says book critic Bigby Deal, whose "How My Catharsis Made Me an >Even Greater and Famouser Sort of Person" appeared recently in Exchoir ("The >Magazine for Men Whose Voices Changed Some Time Ago"). "We discovered," >says Deal, "that we were free to carry on about our marriages, our divorces, >our affairs, as if people waiting to have porcelain jackets put on their >back molars were genuinely, passionately, urgently interested." > >One of the most prolific masters of the new forms is New York journalist >Barbara Gristedes Harrasing, who has contributed countless pieces to Scurvy >("The Magazine for the Executive Woman Who Doesn't Have Time to Eat Her >Vegetables"), including the wrenching "My Briefcase, My Self"; to the trendy, >sexually emancipated women's journal Madame's Wazoo (her "When He Calls Your >Friends a Pack of Shrill Freaks With No Discernible Values" appeared in >February); and in Ws, ("The Magazine for Women Who Are Pretty Pissed Off By >This Point"), where her "Cliff-Hanger Movie Serials: The Roots of Premature >Ejaculation" was considered a seminal piece. > >Harrassing rejects the suggestion that her brand of journalism trades >heavily in cliches. "Cliches just don't play an important role," she says. >"You see, I think we're really only beginning to understand some of the >things that have happened. In the '70s, after the peace movement and so on, >there was a kind of branching out, a seizing of possibilities. An >opportunity to go in some new directions. A freeing up, if you will. It >was an exciting period, because a lot of the old formulas simply didn't >apply anymore, and people almost needed to invent a new language in order to >address what was happening. I think it affected the way we all saw >ourselves. Women, in particular, began to understand their power >differently and to draw strength from each other. There was a great desire >to create alternative structures. Now, of course, I think you see a lot of >people turning inward. A kind of retrenching is taking place, especially at >the community level. But, no, I don't think cliches have very much to do >with it." > >Annette (not her real teeth) is 13, but she has been searching for the >"right" relationship for as long as many older women. "Cubby and I were >together for a long time, and it was painful for us to break up," she says. >"But he was so much younger, and while I enjoyed the vitality, the >immaturity became too much for me." (See "This Month's Article About Older >Women and Younger Men" in Cosmopolymer, "The Magazine for the Completely >Artificial Woman," March 1983.) "Then, with Spin, it was great, except that >his whole male-bonding thing with Marty took up so much of his energy--you >know, 'Come on, man, let's go ride these horses; let's go find this calf >that's missing. Let's, let's, let's.' So, finally, that came to an end, >too--it was on Talent Roundup Day, it's funny how you remember these things. >But now I'm with Donald and I feel very good about that--his sense of play, >the way he lets his anger out, and of course he's so much more animated >than--oh, but I see the clock on the clubhouse wall says it's time to go. >See you real soon!" Why? Because she likes us. > >George Leonard (not his real name) has spent his past few years on the >"cutting edge" of the human potential movement. After a long career at the >popular picture magazine Look (he was, at various times, the magazine's >Ghetto Kids Cavorting in the Spray from a Fire Hydrant Editor, the Wizened >Crackers Sitting on General Store Vernadas Editor and a consultant to the >Cat in a Baby Carriage department), Leonard became a fixture at personal- >growth beachheads such as the Esalen Institute and in the pages of Exchoir, >where his "Sorry, That's It For Sex" appeared last winter. "Make no >mistake: I was on the front lines of the Sexual Revolution," he wrote, "and >I derived my share of personal benefits, if you know what I mean. More than >my share, actually, and a lot more than most of the 'upscale' subscribers to >this rag, I'll tell you that, pal. You were out getting your MBA while your >faithful correspondent here was getting his end wet, and now you think >you're going to catch up. Well, forget it, because it's over. That's >right. Those of us who are in charge of these things have had it with the >Sexual Revolution, so you missed it. Maybe next time, if there is a next >time, you won't be sitting with your head stuck in a magazine about how to >wear the classic porkpie hat and mix the classic Sidecar and all this shit. >But I doubt it." > >"George is an incredibly charismatic and magnetic social philosopher," I had >been told. "He doesn't shake your hand, he Rolfs it." I was not >disappointed. With his piercing, curious eyes, easy laugh and warm, open >toaster-oven, Leonard commands the listener's immediate trust. "There are >so many questions we have to look at, but I think that's what's exciting," >he says, with infectious enthusiasm. "For example, the 'end of sex'--what >does that mean? Well, for a lot of people, the end of sex means the >beginning of a cigarette. And that's fine, except there are a lot of people >who don't smoke, and I think we incredibly charismatic and magnetic social >philosophers have to be willing to look at that. > >"I do think it's true that we've pretty well come out of the 'Me Decade,' >and it's good to keep in mind what Tom Wolfe said: that after the Me Decade >you can't go home again. I really think that's true. Already we've moved >into the 'US Festival Weekend,' though, of course, that's a good deal >shorter. But there's a lot of variety ahead, a lot of options. Eventually, >I think we'll see the 'Your Mother Fortnight'--in fact, I understand that's >already happening in certain neighborhoods--and even the 'Her Cousin That We >Met Over a Lonnie's House Mid-Afternoon.' The one thing you can say with >any certainty is that whatever trend does happen, it will start in this kind >of article. In fact, it will end in this kind of article, too. In fact..." >But his voice trails off, his mind already tracking a new insight. > >Nick (not his real nickname) is 34. Rangy, softspoken and dumb as a post, >he feels that he has "moved past relationships as a model for interacting >with people. I think we have to find some new models. > >"In college, at Berkeley, I was always very active in politics--you know, >writing trade agreements, forming collusive suballiances within SEATO, that >kind of thing," he continues. "And I still think of myself as very much a >'movement person.' But eventually I burned out on that kind of activity and >I began to feel that change had to start with the individual. > >"For the past few years, I've mostly been involved in taking, and then >leading, various kinds of workshops. Workshops in a sense are more viable >than one-on-one relationships, because you can really rotate who brings the >salad. I've been through workshops on birthing, rebirthing, parenting, >networking, bonding, actualizing, life-transitioning, even on composting. >Finally, I took a look at what I was doing and where it was taking me, and I >decided to lead a workshop on gerunding. A surprising number of people >turned out for it. We want to look at our gerunding behavior and try to >understand where it comes from. For a lot of us, it's been a chance to get >back in touch with our root words. I made a breakthrough a couple of weeks >ago, for instance, when I realized what an impact it had on me, as a kid, to >hear Nancy Sinatra sing, 'You keep lyin' when you oughta be truthin' '--you >know, in 'These Boots Are Made for Walkin'. If fact, that may have been the >basis of a lot of the human potential movement, right there. > >"So, without question, you know, I'm still searching. Maybe I'll always be >searching. But for me, the '60s are definitely over. I guess that means >I'll first hear of the Talking Heads in about 1995." > >Judy C. is a dour (not her real demeanor) editor at Mother's Loans ("The >Magazine of Trust-Fund Radicalism") in San Francisco. "In a way," she says, >"I think I've stopped looking for the 'perfect' relationship article. It >took us a while to get into this kind of journalism, because we brought a >lot of our old habits to it. First, we assigned an investigative story >on 'Boyfriends That Burst Into Flames When You Hit Them From Behind,' but it >was hard to pin down the sources on that one. We also sent a reporter to >check out the singles scene in Nicaragua, but he was captured and held in a >piano bar in Managua for, oh, six or seven weeks, and all he came back with >that was really substantive was the Spanish lyrics for 'Raindrops Keep >Falling on My Head,' 'Georgy Girl' and a lot of Billy Joel things, and we >feel our readers are more into, you know, Joan Armatrading and so forth. > >"But now I think we're getting the hang of it with this new series. The >thing to remember is that this kind of journalism isn't really all that >different from any other kind. The same standards of quality certainly >apply. For example, if a piece is truly excellent, there will always be a >quote at the end that sort of sums it all up, and just before the very last >part of the quote, the writer will always have the person who's being quoted >smile or brush some hair out of their face or something." She smiles, >brushing some hair out of her face. "If you have that, you know you've done >your job." -- Off the Wall of Gene Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Phone: (404) 894-6169, (404) 894-6170 [messages] CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf%GATech.CSNet @ CSNet-Relay.ARPA uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,hplabs,ihnp4,masscomp,ut-ngp}!gatech!spaf ...!{rlgvax,sb1,uf-cgrl,unmvax,ut-sally}!gatech!spaf