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Subject: Re: : Fundamental Complaints Re Mac (Discurvive Flame)
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Date: Wed, 11-Jul-84 04:10:03 EDT
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Date: 9 Jul 84 20:23:19 PDT
From: uw-beaver!wert.pa@XEROX.ARPA
Subject: Re: : Fundamental Complaints Re Mac (Discurvive Flame)
In-Reply-To: "SIEGMAN@SU-SIERRA.ARPA's message of Sat, 7 Jul 84 11:40:33
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To: Tony Siegman <SIEGMAN@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Cc: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA

Quit flaming about the mac and go get your stupid model 100 back. You
knew there wasn't any software when you bought it, and if you really
thought that real soon meant next week, I have a bridge to sell you. You
are your own hostage.

Apple is not going to release any software before it is ready. For this
you should be thankful.
It takes time to build good software. Microsoft had stuff available, and
released it too quickly, for as most people will tell you, their
Macintosh basic is a dog. That is what comes when you rush.

There was a marketting window for releasing the machine which apple had
to make. They cannot stimulate software development with sales promises,
only with sales. One will necessarily follow the other. I am willing, as
are many other people, to buy a mac to let the developers know that I
want software. I did just that. I am still waiting, and there is already
software appearing that will please me.

Using the mouse is a matter of ability and experience. There are many
people out there who use a mouse as their sole means of moving the
cursor. I have been working as a summer intern at xerox for about a
month and a half, using a machine with a 3 button mouse. I edit mail,
programs, and documentation, all using the mouse, and much prefer it to
the obscure keyboard commands found in the likes of unix emacs, which is
what I had to use before I got here.

Why do you need documentation on the internals of the finder or the
system? The machine is perfectly usable without it, unless you just have
to know. You can carry this to the logical extreme and refuse to use the
hardware without having the schematic and chip layouts in front of you.
And don't forget that you don't know how the power supply or the display
tube work, either. If you want documentation, spend $150 and get Inside
Mac. It will tell you all, and more besides. But you don't really need
it, unless you are writing in assembly...

Which brings us to the whole point: The machine is a radical departure
from the normal personal computer supplied today. The concepts required
to use the machine to do useful work are radically different than
before. Thus, It Will Take Time for software to appear, and it will only
do that as the marketplace demands. Production almost never precedes
demand.

Be helpful, or be silent. I am tired of the empty complaining. I expect
most people are, as well...

scott