Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site looking.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!looking!brad From: brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) Newsgroups: net.politics,can.politics Subject: Re: Libertarians considered psychotic Message-ID: <182@looking.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Sep-84 00:00:00 EDT Article-I.D.: looking.182 Posted: Mon Sep 10 00:00:00 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Sep-84 00:47:16 EDT References: <5140@utcsrgv.UUCP> Organization: Looking Glass Software, Waterloo, Ont Lines: 41 First of all, let's be careful about the terms used. "Libertarian", with a capital L, refers to the Libertarian party, which certainly does contain some very fringe elements. If you want to talk about the philosophy of freedom, that's a different story. No capitalist thinks that we don't live in an interdependant society. The very essence of capitalism is free trade. The capitalist simply thinks that money, held in private hands, should be the machanism of the economic system, not force as the socialists believe. Capitialism supports the belief that we will work together if it is in our nature to work together. Socialism is the belief that we must be forced to work together, whether we like it or not. Now, of course there have been plenty of excesses under capitalist society, although some will argue that they would not have come about in a true capitalist (lassez-faire) system. ie. that the problem is not in the system but in our implementations. I am not sure I agree with this, but I do think that the excesses of our current socialist society are even worse. Our government takes almost half we earn and uses it very badly. This massive wastage of wealth is responsible in many ways for the amount of poverty we have in society. The government's so called social programs destroy jobs, discourage the work ethic and encourage mediocraty. They do, on the other hand, provide some help in the direction of an equal opportunity society, but they do it rather badly in my estimation. Not all Capitalists are short-sighted, by the way. Some are, but in no greater proportion than politicians. In fact, most politicos can't see beyond the next poll or election, and businessmen usually have to think further that that. It's good to see the world waking up a bit to the philosophy of economic freedom - if we stick on the socialist path much longer I have real fears for the world economy. On the other hand, it's sad to see other movements to the so-called "right" involving anti-abortion, religion, pro-weapons etc. The journey of a "progessive" society (I loathe that word for it's misuse) is towards more freedom. -- Brad Templeton - Waterloo, Ontario (519) 884-7473