Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mprvaxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!ubc-vision!mprvaxa!tbray From: tbray@mprvaxa.UUCP (Tim Bray) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: The other role of the welfare state Message-ID: <594@mprvaxa.UUCP> Date: Thu, 20-Sep-84 11:41:20 EDT Article-I.D.: mprvaxa.594 Posted: Thu Sep 20 11:41:20 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 21-Sep-84 00:22:29 EDT Organization: Microtel Pacific Research, Burnaby, B.C, Canada Lines: 28 One point the libertarians and right-wingers are missing in this debate is the fact that the welfare state serves them, as well as "those who don't work". In fact, in the absence of the welfare state safety net and some reasonably well-muscled government regulatory practices, history has shown two extremely predictable trends: 1. Those in economic power rapidly increase their degree of exploitation of their fellow humans and of their environment: the classic example is the "dark satanic mills" of Industrial Revolution Europe, filled with child labourers, surrounded by filthy slums inhabited by the oppressed. 2. The above gives rise to powerful revolutionary forces. In countries with a democratic tradition, this usually leads to the rise of the above-mentioned regulatory welfare state. In countries with no democratic tradition, this usually leads to violent revolution, usually followed by a continuation of the non-democratic traditions. Conclusions: First, the modern state exists not merely to service the nonproductive, but also to prevent your well-heeled entrails from being fished out by a revolutionary with a pitchfork (romantic I know, but colourful, what?). Second, some measure of morality must be enforced by the state, because at no time in history have capitalists in power shown any tendancy to exercise it voluntarily. Laissez-faire == Child Labour Tim Bray {ihnp4!alberta, decvax!microsoft} !ubc-vision!mprvaxa!tbray