Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site uokvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uokvax!lmaher From: lmaher@uokvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.comics Subject: Re: Twistings n strike outs - (nf) Message-ID: <11900027@uokvax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 4-Sep-84 01:09:00 EDT Article-I.D.: uokvax.11900027 Posted: Tue Sep 4 01:09:00 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Sep-84 04:49:42 EDT References: <1404@pur-phy.UUCP> Lines: 60 Nf-ID: #R:pur-phy:-140400:uokvax:11900027:000:2512 Nf-From: uokvax!lmaher Sep 4 00:09:00 1984 #R:pur-phy:-140400:uokvax:11900027:000:2512 uokvax!lmaher Sep 4 00:09:00 1984 >/***** uokvax:net.comics / pur-phy!dub / 12:05 am Sep 1, 1984 */ >(from Paul Simmington) > I have two questions regarding old comics characters. > The first concerns the flaming powers of Johnny Storm. As Johnny gets older, he gets more powerful, and gains more control over his powers. This is true of most of Marvel's characters, if you compare them now with how they were 10 or 20 (real) years ago. Especially the teen-age characters - look at Iceman for example. > Second concerns the ... Juggernaut. It seems that the > powers given him could easily defeat > the X-men, but everytime he fights them he constantly loses. > Why? Because Brute Strength and Invulnerability aren't everything. Originally they usually defeated him by removing the helmet that protected him from psionics, and having Proffessor X zap him. Since he's welded the helmet on, they've had to settle for dumping him in large bodies of water, which takes him a while to get out of (he's unstoppable, but he's slow). There were two issues (between 100 and 120?) where Black Tom hired Arcade to kill the X-Men. Juggernaut got heated and claimed he could do it himself, and Tom pointed out how many times Juggernaut had tried and failed. > I would have figured him to join the Brotherhood of > Evil Mutants and > then they could finally trash the X-men. After Pyro, Blob, and Avalanche were captured in Rom #something- or-other, Rogue wanted to rename it as the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants. It seems to me it would be better to call it the Brotherhood of Mutants, to disguise its intentions. If Juggernaut joined the B.E.M., within a week he'd be smashing Blob and the other loudmouths. He doesn't work well with a group, and he's too self-confident to want to. > But it seems that Marvel doesn't want the X-men to lose. You wouldn't call the death of Jean Grey a loss??!?! The X-Men have lost several other times, but of course they can't lose permanently, or Marvel would have to stop publishing their comic. One of the best things about team books is that they can be defeated, or even suffer losses, because there are others to carry on. But you *know* that Spiderman or Superman *cannot* die, because their mag ends with them. If you want to see the X-Men lose fatally, see X-Men #141-142 "Days of Future Past" where in 2013 the surviving X-Men make their final stand against the Sentinels, and lose. Carl ..!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher