Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxq.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!cornell!vax135!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxq!animal From: animal@ihuxq.UUCP (D. Starr) Newsgroups: net.cycle Subject: Re: Sidecars - Any recommendations? (Post to answers to net!) Message-ID: <1197@ihuxq.UUCP> Date: Thu, 6-Sep-84 17:04:08 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxq.1197 Posted: Thu Sep 6 17:04:08 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 16-Sep-84 12:20:55 EDT References: <675@ihuxj.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 54 Newsgroups: net.cycle Subject: Re: Sidecars - Any recommendations? (Post to answers to net!) References: <675@ihuxj.UUCP> According to U. S. Honda, sidecar recommendations can be summed up in a single word: "DON'T!" Check out the "Downtime Files" in the October issue of Road Rider for a discussion of what you can and can't put a sidecar on. If you don't get Road Rider (shame on you!) highlights follow: As far as they can tell, only two manufacturers currently build motorcycles which are designed for sidecar use. You can put a sidecar on a big Moto Guzzi (850 or 1000cc) without voiding the warranty; you can do the same on a big Harley-Davidson (take THAT, rice-burners!), and they will even sell you one as an option on some models (price: about $12K for bike and sidecar--ugh!). I somehow suspect that you would find the performance of both of these marques a bit disappointing. All Japanese manufacturers specifically recommend AGAINST adding a sidecar. The engineering people talk about side loading that the frame isn't made for; the legal eagles just say it voids the warranty. This applies to ALL models. The agency which certifies motor vehicles for safety in Germany has approved a couple of Japanese frames for sidecar use (I think the Gold Wing and the KZ1300), but only if the EML leading-link fork is installed on the bikes. On the other hand, a lot of people run sidecars on Japanese bikes without apparent mishap. I tend to doubt that the frame or forks will actually break if you put a hack on a Sabre; what's more likely is that the bike will handle "funny" (e. g., speed wobble or other lack of desire to go straight) when you take the sidecar off. Your best bet by a long shot is to talk to people who own sidecar rigs and see what kind of problems they experience. Try the United Sidecar Association (their address is in this month's AMA magazine [what? you're not an AMA member? Double shame on you!!]), or try going to Art's (aka Gee-Gee's, aka Highland House; Routes 22 and 41 in Highland Park, Ill.) on a Sunday morning. There are ususally a few hacks parked among the hundreds of other bikers for the tire-kicking services. Have fun, Dan Starr AMA No. 121989 Road Runners M. C.