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From: wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler)
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Subject: A Reply to Tim Sevener
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Date: Tue, 28-Aug-84 10:39:09 EDT
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Well now, I have just finished reading Mr. Sevener's latest diatribe
against the Republican party in Net.politics.  I am going to flame
him so I am putting this in net.flame as he knows next to nothing
about party politics as far as I can see.

First He talks about myopia, delusion, and intolerance in the
Republican party that remind him of the 30's in Germany.  What I don't
understand is why he didn't watch the Democratic convention?  Was
there anything different?  No there was not.  I suggest that
Sevener has a very bad case of paranoia, plus a dose of the three
characteristics he attributes to the Republicans.

He seems to be bothered by the cheering that went on during the
festivities.  Does he mean to say that there was NO cheering at the
Democratic convention?  I watched the Democrats in convention and
seem to recall one hell of a lot more cheering going on in that
one.  Does he mean to suggest that people who cheer and are
enthusiastic about something are somehow to be suspected of
harboring tendancies akin to the pre-world war II Germans?
For shame, Sevener,  your intolerance for other ideas and views
is showing.  

You mention 'blind fanatisism'.  Do you mean to say that the
cheering and huzzas for any idea or view is to be construed as
'blind fanatisism' and therefor to be taken as war-fervor?
If that is what you are saying then I will have to be on my
guard whenever the local high school has a pep rally.  In my
opinion, Sevener, your article is one of the worst examples of
baiting and innuendo I have read in some time.  You are doing
just what you accuse others of doing by setting up the big
lie, then harping on it until someone begins to believe it.

You are setting yourself up as the arbitter of truth and wisdom.
You attribute the setting to the born-again-christian style
of leadership.  Are you so dense that you cannot remember that
it was Jimmy Carter that was the BAC?  Are you so forgetful
that you can't remember that Fritz Mondale was his cohort?
Then you are so forgetful that you convieniently dismiss the
fact that the ERA ammendment was defeated by a majority of
Democratic legislatures.  The Republican party is johnny-
come-lately to its opposition to the ammendment.

As for the UN, what do you know about UNESCO?  Do you have any
idea what it does?  I suggest that you go back to your books and 
find out why the US pulled out.  Talk about myopia.  BTW it was
Carter's idea in the first place, at the urging of Moynahan.
Why should American tax dollars be used to fund Radio stations in
Communist countries?

As for your claptrap about population explosions.  Bullfeathers.
Again, I ask, if I do not believe in abortion as a method of birth
control, why should I be forced to fund abortion clinics in
Lower Slobovia?  You call this right-wing thinking.  Well you
have got your head up where the sun don't shine because I see
people from all walks of life and all political persuassions
thinking the same way.  

I really feel sorry for Sevener.  He does not seem to have the
ability to understand that he is accusing others of saying and
doing things that he is doing and saying himself.  What gets me
started the most, though, is his trying to equate everything he
disagrees with with the 'nazis'.  This is an all too common
ploy among some of the net contributors.  The sad fact is, most 
of them do not even know what the nazis stood for.  They have
never bothered to find out either.  They just throw the term
out for effect, trying to cover their ignorance about the
subject they are railing against.  It is a convienient label
to tack onto their diatribes to try and win points.  Well, it
won't work.  If all you can do is call something nazism just
because you disagree, then I for one will consider whatever
you say in your Article, the ramblings of stupid ass.  If you
can't talk to the issues without resorting to wild-eyed labeling
of your opponents, then you had better make sure the Article does
not show up here because I intend to take the other side no
matter if I agree or not.  

There have been two articles this week labeling the Republican
convention as nazis.  The articles refered to the cheering and
exuberence being shown by the delagates.  Thus, by inference,
any group that cheers is nazi.  They did not refer to why the
Republicans were cheering, they only said they were cheering
and thus must be nazis.  By further inference, the Democrats,
Olympic spectators, United Auto Workers, NOW, 2-million parade
watchers in New York, and Mets fans must be nazis because they
were happy or excited about something.  At the Republican
convention, they were excited and cheering because they were
just excited.  Remember, there was not too much exciting about
the convention as the ticket was already decided.  Its kind
of hard to drum up enthusiasm at a convention where you are
only going through the motions of voting.  Wait till next time
if you want cheering.  The folks went to Dallas to have a good
time.  And if you don't think that's what they go for, you
have your head in the sand.  Conventions are not quiet, somber
affairs, they never have been.  They are designed to bring
together the party leaders and hopefuls to pump up enthusiasm
for the campaign ahead.  Cheering is part of that pumping up.

So, Sevener, why don't you please put a lid on this nazi crap
you have been polluting the net with.  If you want to talk
issues, then do so.  Do you know what the issues are?  Can
you write a sentence without using the words right-wing or
nazi?  Can you supress your hatred and intolerance long
enough to conduct a reasoned discussion?

Flame away.
T. C. Wheeler