Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 (Tek) 9/26/83; site shark.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!zinfandel!hplabs!tektronix!orca!shark!brianp From: brianp@shark.UUCP (Brian Peterson) Newsgroups: net.kids Subject: Re: Rights and Rosen: Rebuttal to T. C. Wheeler Message-ID: <1002@shark.UUCP> Date: Thu, 23-Aug-84 12:41:17 EDT Article-I.D.: shark.1002 Posted: Thu Aug 23 12:41:17 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Aug-84 06:28:56 EDT References: <962@pyuxa.UUCP>, <2960@alice.UUCP>, <3476@cbscc.UUCP> Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville OR Lines: 29 Paul Dubuc's article about parents' rights has some very good points. Parents have the right to raise their kids the way they want (barring child abuse and neglect, which we all agree is bad), lest other people (the "state", etc) start meddling. Since people have different ideas of what m3"right", this implies that people have the right to screw up. This is an important right. :-| (that's a serious face :-) The alternative is to let people screw you over. Until objective >proof< of what is proper turns up, what a person thinks is right is only right for that person. (preceding sentence applies to net.almost-anything) Some third party might perceive some situation where something "wrong" is happening with respect to some kid. They want to fix things for the kid. But the kid is someone else (with the right to screw up), and might thus have different ideas of what is right and wrong. Thus the third party has no say. But what if the kid hasn't had the opportunity to develop good ideas of right and wrong? That is what parents are for. They provide "adultness" and maturity until the kid develops enough of his own. What criteria are used for "assigning" kids to parents? (can't help but :-) Certainly not any individual's conceptions of right and wrong. Birth pretty much decides things, and where that fails, adoption is used. This boils down to who has the kid first. (after conception, or adoption) Thus showing the validity of what the birds and beasts have done for ages, I will go back to work.... Brian Peterson {ucbvax, ihnp4, } !tektronix!shark!brianp