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Subject: Re: someone duznt know thermo
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Date: Thu, 6-Sep-84 20:39:10 EDT
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Subject: Re: someone duznt know thermo
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[Anybody got some salt for my feet?]


>How's this for a blunt statement:
>
>	Rick Hawkins does not understand thermodynamics.
>
>
>3D    >I'm just a country boy... what aspects of the law of Thermodynamics 
>3D    >does creationism fit that is not adequately covered by more traditional
>3D    >explanations?
>3D    
>3D    The transition from order to disorder.  Life requires/is characterized by
>3D    order.
>3D       rick                                     (Rick Hawkins @ Olivetti ATC)
>
>Life is characterized by LOCAL order.  Life dumps a load of disorder on
>the universe.  The net is disorder.  (Keep track of what happens to 
>all the energy that gets used, and where it goes)
>
>Brian Peterson  {ucbvax, ihnp4, }  !tektronix!shark!brianp

How did I get myself into this???   Anyway, the argument is that life is
characterized by order and that thermodynamics calls for a decrease in order of
the closed system.  I'm not trying to support the position, I was interested in
seeing discussion about it.  I think that I first saw this notion in a science
textbook (chemistry or physics).  [not in defense of creationism, just as an
observation].  I'm rambling.  The point is that I should have stated that that
was the argument, or better yet kept my yap shut.  Similarly, I'm not going to
argue for or against the value of c changing over time.  I would like, however,
to see the discussions.

I suppose that I should state my own position while I am at it.  I really don't
find the issue that important--I am much more concerned about *why* He created
the universe than *how* He did it.  As far as I'm concerned, there is no
question as to whether or not He did it.  

Anyway, the next time I toss something out for the sake of argument without the
intention or ability to support the position, I'll be careful to say so.


-- 
   rick                                     (Rick Hawkins @ Olivetti ATC)
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