Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site aquila.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hao!noao!aquila!sharp From: sharp@aquila.UUCP Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Thermodynamics Message-ID: <382@aquila.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Sep-84 13:02:27 EDT Article-I.D.: aquila.382 Posted: Mon Sep 10 13:02:27 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Sep-84 07:28:14 EDT Organization: Natl. Optical Astronomy Observatories Tucson AZ USA Lines: 17 My favourite version of the famous three laws goes rather like: 1: You can never win, you can only break even. 2: You can only break even at absolute zero. 3: You can't get to absolute zero. However, the major point which has not yet been made is that these are laws of equilibrium thermodynamics, whilst life is part of a very definitely non-equilibrium process. (Famous remark: in the likeliest state, we'd all be dead) The theory of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, which is what we really need to start discussing any conflict with evolution, is slowly being developed by such as Ilya Prigogine, who won a Nobel prize for his efforts. (Why has no-one from UT Austin, home of the Ilya Prigogine Center [see, I can spell American when I have to {:-)}], mentioned this ?) Anyway, since the theory is not applicable, arguing about its predictions seems rather irrelevant. -- Nigel Sharp [noao!sharp National Optical Astronomy Observatories]