Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hpda!fortune!amd!decwrl!decvax!cca!ima!ism780b!jim From: jim@ism780b.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re: No mirror, no dust Message-ID: <64@ism780b.UUCP> Date: Fri, 31-Aug-84 00:18:12 EDT Article-I.D.: ism780b.64 Posted: Fri Aug 31 00:18:12 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Sep-84 09:30:04 EDT Lines: 25 Nf-ID: #R:denelcor:-52900:ism780b:27500041:000:1414 Nf-From: ism780b!jim Aug 23 01:14:00 1984 >"State of anger" is easier so I'll start with that: it is a >physical state which one is culturalized to sense as emotion, >which is called anger. But who or what senses the state as emotion? The behaviorist observes (receives physical stimulus about?) the physical state, and observes subsequent behavior which he calls emotion, *in others*. But the behaviorist or anyone else *senses* emotion in themselves, even without external observable behavior. This sensing is done by the ego, which is not accessible to any behaviorist (or anyone else). But behaviorists persist in claiming that there is no one there to do such sensing, even though they themselves constantly do so all the time. This is the one and only piece of evidence for the existence of an ego: one's personally being one. You cannot demonstrate that anyone else has one; you cannot even demonstrate that you have one; but you do know you have one, I think. Certainly I do know I have one. However, I am coming to believe that the bio-automaton known as GAM is malfunctioning, and producing bad outputs, so those "real" folk out there should ignore its subsequent outputs. It will most likely produce outputs simulating feelings of offense to its ego, but since it apparently does not really have one we should feel no guilt or compassion for what is simply a complex organic structure with complex behavior. -- Jim Balter (ima!jim)