Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 6/7/83; site hao.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hao!ward From: ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: What is a libertarian? Message-ID: <1133@hao.UUCP> Date: Fri, 31-Aug-84 09:16:06 EDT Article-I.D.: hao.1133 Posted: Fri Aug 31 09:16:06 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 3-Sep-84 09:01:45 EDT References: <1738@inmet.UUCP> Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR, Boulder CO Lines: 33 [] Thanks, Nat. And May I publicly apologize for being more peevish than a person really should be. (Gotta keep those peeves from breeding like that) Having determined that Libertarians feel that an increase in liberty for the general populace is a necessary goal of their philosophy (I hope I have not misstated this), I would like to discuss the concept of property rights in this context. It is my growing feeling that the term "property rights" is too simple a term, since it includes many different concepts. The notion that ownership of one's body and self is a "property right" strikes me as a strange use of the language. Ownership of one's body is an essential foundation to personal freedom, and to the extent that this is ignored in our society (the draft, laws against drug use, etc) our society is deficient in personal freedom. Ownership of land is another issue. Land is not a person, nor was it created by a person. Every inch of land in the world was just found lying around by somebody who decided to use it for his own benefit. Much of the land in the world was taken over by use of brute force. The basis for "ownership" seems to be tenuous. -- Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD UUCP: {hplabs,nbires,brl-bmd,seismo,menlo70,stcvax}!hao!ward ARPA: hplabs!hao!sa!ward@Berkeley BELL: 303-497-1252 USPS: POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307