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From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor)
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Subject: Re: Libertarians considered psychotic
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Date: Wed, 12-Sep-84 09:35:28 EDT
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> ............................................... for a society to be a useful
 > construct, there must be a means of deciding on goals on *some* level.
  
 I have two questions:
  
         (1) Why?  Let's be realistic:  societies do not "have goals",
                 individuals do.
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That is not necessarily a "realistic" position.  How does a cell know
that its body has goals different from its own.  How do WE know that our
society doesn't have goals.  The more you look at it, the more important
collective phenomena seem to be in what actually happens to a society.

Read Hofstader (especially the Prelude and Ant Fugue, which occurs in
both Godel Escher Bach and in The Mind's Eye, the latter including an
interesting commentary).
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Martin Taylor
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