Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hpda!fortune!amd!decwrl!decvax!cca!ima!ism70!dianeh From: dianeh@ism70.UUCP Newsgroups: net.rec.photo Subject: Re: Re: Good Films Re: 5247 Message-ID: <43@ism70.UUCP> Date: Thu, 6-Sep-84 00:41:29 EDT Article-I.D.: ism70.43 Posted: Thu Sep 6 00:41:29 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Sep-84 03:49:53 EDT Lines: 61 Nf-ID: #R:mako:-26400:ism70:16800001:000:2938 Nf-From: ism70!dianeh Aug 28 15:43:00 1984 ***** ism70:net.rec.photo / mako!jans / 1:31 pm Aug 22, 1984 >>In my opinion 5247 is not professional quality film... NOT A PROFESSIONAL FILM?? First of all, 5247/5293 is out-of-date film. Kodak's 35mm movie film is now 5291 and 5294. Saying it isn't a professional film is really silly, since it is the industry standard for motion pictures. >>...for the following reasons: >> * An overall greenish cast, which may be desirable, but does nasty >> things to snow pictures. Motion picture film is balanced for Tungsten (3400 Kelvin). In order to use it outdoors (~5400 Kelvin), you have to compensate for that by using an 85 filter. For most cases that should be enough, especially for a 35 SLR, since you have the advantage over a film camera by being able to adjust the shutter. In excessively bright conditions (such as your snow shots), you might want to go to an 85 ND3, depending on what kind aperture and shutter speed you wanted to use (although it's unlikely that you'd ever need it.) The 5291 is rated at 100 ASA; the straight 85 would take it down to 64, the ND3 would take it down to 32, the ND6 takes it down to 16, etc. The 5294 is for indoors, rated at 500. >> * Excessive fading, compared to either Kodachrome or Ectachrome, >> over a period of four years. What faded? The original neg or the slides? >> * lack of saturation, perhaps a consequence of wider latitude. I doubt if the 2-stop latitude had anything to do with the saturation. >>I made the mistake of shooting a professional assignment (The 1980 Winter >>Olympics) with all three films for a single AV show. The 5247 slides are >>noticibly inferior. However, for random shooting, family snapshots, etc., >>5247 is inexpensive and seems to make good prints if you don't object to the >>greenish cast. Give me good old KR -- ER reds and blues any day! Kodachrome and Ektachrome are NOT professional films; they are amateur films made for taking random shots, family photos, etc. However, if you're doing a slide show, they certainly would be the appropriate choice -- motion picture film would NOT be. If SLIDES are the desired end-product, you don't want them to be second generation, you want them to be first generation. You want to use 5291 (or 5294) when the main desired end-product is a PRINT. These films are used extensively for taking production stills on movie sets (it works out especially nice since the set is already appropriately lit). The best place to purchase and process this film is: RGB 816 N. Highland Hollywood, CA 90038 They give you the negative, slides, contact sheet and a new roll of film. They'll also color-correct if you happen to have forgotten to use the 85 when you shot it. Trying to use film designed for film cameras in a still camera means having to use a little more care, but if done properly and for the right reasons, this film can produce outstanding results. diane