Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:aeq From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Trish revisited, calmly Message-ID: <977@pucc-h> Date: Fri, 24-Aug-84 03:30:11 EDT Article-I.D.: pucc-h.977 Posted: Fri Aug 24 03:30:11 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Aug-84 06:30:19 EDT Organization: Tucumcari Divinity School Lines: 30 I received an article from Trish Millines in response to a net.women article of mine. This put me in mind of the great controversy which surrounded one of her postings; and I decided to try to illuminate some of the reasons (as I see them) why men may come across as insensitive et al. Note that this is not intended to provoke further controversy! (Calm discussion is permitted....) The following is extracted from the letter I sent to her. Remember that boys are (or at least used to be) trained early that big boys don't cry or otherwise express "weakness". Thus they do not avail themselves of all the mothering they could get if they would admit their need. Hence they go into manhood with a desperate need for someone to love them, a desperate wish for those days of early childhood when they were allowed, by society and parents, to just relax and take without giving. Had they been allowed to be comforted for all their childhood fears and hurts when they were children, they might be better able to handle an equal relationship, since they would not be suffering from such a desperate, long-time hurt/need for love. (In fact, I have recently been painfully discovering the fact that, contrary to the fantasies of so many men around my age [29], there is no such thing as a free lunch; if a man wants a woman to give him what he wants, he bloody well has to give her what she wants. This is painful because it means that the wish to return to childhood is forever frustrated. It is especially painful for me because my childhood was, in a way, truncated at age 8 by the divorce of my parents and the departure of my father; I had to become, in some ways, an ersatz husband for my mother.) But anyway, this might enable you to understand those 999 of 1000 men who seem so insensitive and undesirable. -- -- Jeff Sargent {decvax|harpo|ihnp4|inuxc|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq [the man with the cornrowed chest hair :-)]