Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!nonh From: nonh@utzoo.UUCP (Chris Robertson) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Makeup et. al. Message-ID: <4268@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Sat, 25-Aug-84 16:08:51 EDT Article-I.D.: utzoo.4268 Posted: Sat Aug 25 16:08:51 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Aug-84 16:08:51 EDT Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 96 Jeff Forys writes: [beginning of quote] >From nonh@utzoo.UUCP (Chris Robertson) Posted: Sat Aug 18 14:29:53 1984 > You haven't heard much from the gals who DO wear makeup because > much of this 'discussion' has been cracks at how wearing makeup > means you are lying, cheating, covering up your personality > inadequacies, and generally showing the world you have crass, shallow > values derived from the Bible as written by Mary Kay. *YOU* haven't seen my mailbox... let me assure, they are well represented and are not all lying, cheating, etc -- actually those who have replied to me see like generally nice people and I have become much more tolerant and understanding of those who do wear makeup. [end of quote] Huh? I am SOOO confused! He asks why there aren't more *ARTICLES* from women who wear makeup, I reply with a possible reason ("who wants to be put down in public? Come on now, speak up! speak up!"), and he says, well, he got lots of *MAIL*! Does anyone have any software for reading someone else's mailbox half a continent away? If so, please send it at once, I need it desperately (oops -- should've sent that to net.wanted :-)) What's worse, he seems to think think I'm accusing women who wear makeup of all the things I'm objecting to other people accusing them of! [beginning of quote] Lord! I wish some of you would spend a little time reading the postings before formulating your replys. Had the both of you done this, you probably would have realized what I just said, and I wouldn't have had to waste my time writing this. If you are unclear as to how something was stated, send me mail and I'll be happy to explain. I really enjoy reading well-written rebuttals because it makes me think about what I've said. [end of quote] Oh, great god of the net, please make people take their own advice! Please! please... Jeff continues: [beginning of quote] > "The truth will set you free. But first it will make you miserable." He's two two two people in one! :-) [end of quote] *sigh* I didn't realize I was schizoid 'cause I refuse to equate wearing makeup with lying. [slight flame on -- note that this is not intended to refer to Jeff's opinions, but is a general flame on the subject] On the subject of makeup and dishonesty, I cannot agree that makeup is dishonest! It's MAKEUP, for heaven's sake! Telling someone's you're not married when you are, or you're not trying to get their job when you've been scheming to do so for the last six months, or that you didn't scrape their car when you did -- THAT'S dishonest! Is it lying to wear flattering clothes? Is it lying to act cheerful when you're unhappy? Is it lying to look less tired than you feel? WHAT'S WRONG WITH TRYING TO EMPAHSIZE YOUR BEST (PHYSICAL) FEATURES? We all have eyes, we all LOOK at each other; we all react to each other on our total impressions of each other, WHICH INCLUDES THE WAY WE LOOK. If you think someone's attempts to "look nice" don't work, and they'd look better if they did something else, okay, say so. But why make all sorts of assumptions about why they're doing it? PARTICULARLY when these assumptions are put-downs! And surely it can be said kindly -- several people did, in fact, simply say they prefered no makeup. No offense intended, none taken. *** What about Marie Carey who wrote that she wears makeup because she has rotten skin and feels bad about it? (Whether or not she OUGHT to feel bad about it is a side issue I won't go into.) Looks like she just can't win -- either she wears no makeup, and feels that the first thing people think about her is that she's got bad skin, or she does wear it -- and now everyone's judging her as a dishonest person who's covering up horrible deficiencies! Arrgh! Where's your collective COMPASSION? [flame off] Once you care for someone, they look good to you all the time, no matter what their face is like -- their features have become "dear and familiar" (wish I could remember where that comes from). (Hmmn. That last sentence sounds rational. Must be time to stop -- wouldn't want to violate netiquette...:-( ) -Chris Robertson "I wear underwear AND outerwear and I don't care WHO knows it"