Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:aeq From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) Newsgroups: net.singles,net.women Subject: Re: Trish revisited, calmly Message-ID: <992@pucc-h> Date: Fri, 24-Aug-84 22:10:31 EDT Article-I.D.: pucc-h.992 Posted: Fri Aug 24 22:10:31 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 26-Aug-84 00:40:09 EDT References: <977@pucc-h> Organization: Tucumcari Divinity School Lines: 45 Following up my own article with some more thoughts.... I suspect that many a (seemingly?) insensitive man may have a dream that some "perfect" woman is going to graciously, with incredible humility, take him as SO and thereby, shall we say, forgive him his sins and redeem him; that by submitting her (imagined) purity and perfection to the possible depredations of his impurity and imperfection, she would somehow relieve him of the gnawing pain that comes from knowing that no matter how much one grows as a person, one is never perfect; one always has sins. In other words, men are looking for a woman to play the role of Christ in a visible, palpable manner. It is probably for this reason that a man takes it as such a special honor to be the first man to have sex with a particular woman -- that she cares so much for him that she sacrifices even her virginity for him -- a blood sacrifice, yet! Perhaps somehow the verse, "Without shedding of blood there is no remission [of sins]" is floating around in their subconsciousnesses. A darker possibility here is that a man may, at bottom, really have it in for women -- really, actually, hate them, or at least bear a grudge against that side of the human species. Thus, if his feelings of attraction to women, or to a particular woman, are carefully analyzed, he may actually be considering her to be pure and perfect with an eye to how good it would feel (emotionally as well as physically) to defile all that sweet purity. Note that this entails, again, his considering himself as wondrously impure, so that he can be the defiling agent -- unless, of course, he can even gain pleasure from the thought of a woman being defiled by someone other than himself, say by rape, or by (if homosexuality disagrees with him, as it does with me) lesbianism. I have been criticized by one or two of my Christian brothers because I sometimes do purchase Playboy. But it is astonishing what you find out when you "show God your dirty pictures", as one pastor friend of mine put it -- i.e. be appallingly honest about your sexual fantasies; Playboy can thus sometimes serve as a focusing device. Anyway, returning to the theme of my earlier paragraphs, what would seem to be necessary for marriage or SO-ship is that a man become sufficiently accepting of his own and everyone else's sins/imperfections that he can be intimate with a woman who is just as sinful/imperfect as he is, and love her nevertheless. My only question is: how on earth can anyone pull this off? -- -- Jeff Sargent {decvax|harpo|ihnp4|inuxc|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq [the man with the cornrowed chest hair :-)]