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From: ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow)
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Subject: Re: Trish revisited, calmly
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Date: Sat, 25-Aug-84 22:56:40 EDT
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Posted: Sat Aug 25 22:56:40 1984
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>> I suspect that many a (seemingly?) insensitive man may have a dream
>> that some "perfect" woman is going to graciously, with incredible
>> humility, take him as SO and thereby, shall we say, forgive him his
>> sins and redeem him; that by submitting her (imagined) purity and
>> perfection to the possible depredations of his impurity and
>> imperfection, she would somehow relieve him of the gnawing pain that
>> comes from knowing that no matter how much one grows as a person,
>> one is never perfect; one always has sins.  In other words, men are
>> looking for a woman to play the role of Christ in a visible, palpable
>> manner.  It is probably for this reason that a man takes it as such a
>> special honor to be the first man to have sex with a particular woman
>> -- that she cares so much for him that she sacrifices even her
>> virginity for him -- a blood sacrifice, yet! ...

>> Anyway, returning to the theme of my earlier paragraphs, what would
>> seem to be necessary for marriage or SO-ship is that a man become
>> sufficiently accepting of his own and everyone else's
>> sins/imperfections that he can be intimate with a woman who is just
>> as sinful/imperfect as he is, and love her nevertheless.

>> My only question is:  how on earth can anyone pull this off?

>> -- Jeff Sargent

Oh, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff--you told us you were getting better.
Most of us with SO's desire them for companionship--you know,
warmth.  Not for confession or psychoanalysis.  Just to be with.
Such people are easy to find once you figure out that sinners
are intrinsically more interesting than saints.

As for these sacrifices-of-the-saintly-purity-of-virginity
fantasies, Jeff, I think you've been reading too much lives of the
saints, who had woefully little experience in this area.  This
"special honor", "blood sacrifice", temple-of-the-holy-spirit
stuff may be entertaining philosophy, but it won't get you to
first base.  Not lusty enough.  Think bawdy.

Most people I know had their first sexual experiences in their teens,
when everything in the world is exciting and confusing (ah, those
hormones, like a sugar maple on a warm day in March!) and memories
of embarrassing bumbling are quickly forgotten in a jumble of new
experiences and you don't know who you are from one day to the next
anyway.  It must be a real nightmare for an adult with a bad self-
image and a good memory.  I feel for you, Jeff.
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