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From: ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow)
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Subject: Re: Trish revisited, calmly
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Date: Sun, 26-Aug-84 19:36:43 EDT
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[What I said]
> ... once you figure out that sinners
> are intrinsically more interesting than saints.

[greg skinner]
>> However, I do not agree with ken perlow's last statement.  It seems
>> to be a myth among non-Christians that Christians are boring people.
>> Why do people think this way? ...

I don't.  What makes you think Christians == saints?  Most Christians
I know are sinners--by their standards, anyway--and not at all boring.
I was trying to tell Jeff that less-than-perfect people are not only OK,
they're downright nifty.  I used religious imagery because I think Jeff
looks at the world through a rather low-bandwidth filter. 
  
[me again]
> This"special honor", "blood sacrifice", temple-of-the-holy-spirit
> stuff may be entertaining philosophy, but it won't get you to
> first base.  Not lusty enough.  Think bawdy.

[greg]
>> Another thing that I disagree with is this attitude of people that
>> you should have "experience".  If you don't want "experience" but
>> rather to be with some-one who you really care for, would have/be the
>> father of their baby, would stand behind them, etc., doesn't mean
>> you're strange, just that you want something else out of a relationship
>> outside of sexual gratification...

But I didn't say "go have sex", though I think Jeff would like to.
And who said that sex was the alpha and omega of a relationship?
But to be warm and caring demands a lot more lusty thoughts than
Platonic dialogue.  It's too bad Jeff thinks such thoughts are so
sinful.

[me again]
> Most people I know had their first sexual experiences in their teens,
> when everything in the world is exciting and confusing (ah, those
> hormones, like a sugar maple on a warm day in March!) and memories
> of embarrassing bumbling are quickly forgotten in a jumble of new
> experiences and you don't know who you are from one day to the next
> anyway.  It must be a real nightmare for an adult with a bad self-
> image and a good memory.  I feel for you, Jeff.

[greg]
>> As an aside, dunno where you came from, but in NYC where I grew up,
>> it was still down in the thirties in March :-)

I'm from Wisconsin--the 30's in March *IS* warm.

>> About the only thing that I agree with in the previous paragraph is
>> that life is exciting and confusing when you're a teenager (however,
>> I'm 23 and life is still confusing, if not exciting :-).  I don't want
>> to speak for Jeff, but (I'm going to anyway) it seems to me that he
>> would benefit from a loving and caring SO (wife maybe?).  You're right
>> in that he can't expect his SO to heal him, but perhaps they can fill
>> the gaps in each other's lives.

I don't know what you disagree with.  Didn't you do crazier things when
you were 17 than you'd do now?  I guess at 23 you haven't put enough
distance between yourself and your adolescence to notice.  Lucky you.
(Don't!)

Jeff would indeed benefit from a loving and caring SO.  He seems to be
scared to try to find a real, live, down-to-earth woman.  He also
doesn't seem to understand that a man can respect a woman as a person
and still want to kiss her all over.  And that I don't understand,
because I couldn't have it any other way.
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