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From: forys@sunybcs.UUCP (Jeff Forys)
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Subject: RE: Re: RE: sex, makeup and vanity
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Date: Tue, 28-Aug-84 23:54:24 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 28 23:54:24 1984
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From dw@rocksvax.UUCP (Don Wegeng)  Posted: Fri 11:30
	[For a fun effect, read this first re-post like Andy Rooney]
> Have you ever noticed
> that these women seem to have friends that also wear a lot of makeup?
> Have you also noticed that the same is true for women that do not
> seem to be wearing much/any makeup?  I have noticed this quite often.
> [...] This kind of behavior is common among peer groups.

That's a good observation and in my opinion, quite true.  Now, try to
compare the behavior patterns of members of these groups.  If you find
and similarities, ask yourself "in what way(s) are they similar".  So
far, you are only grouping people, but you should also be asking "WHY?".
But don't stop there, start asking yourself; "Why do *I* do things the
way *I* do?" -- but be truthful in answering, why lie to yourself?

> I personally like to wear jeans to work, as do
> many of my friends.  However, this kind of behavior is only now
> becoming acceptable around here, and there are still a lot of
> male engineers who prefer to wear tie, for they feel that this is
> a more respectable way for a "professional" to dress..  We sometimes
> refer to these people as "stuffed shirts".  Some of the engineers
> who prefer to wear ties look down at us for not trying to look
> "professional".  Who is right?  Probably neither group, but of course
> this is my own opinion.

Good, neither group *is* right.  However, in my opinion, your group may
be more *practical*.  I can solve problems just as well when the clothes
I'm wearing total $30 (shirt & jeans) and when they total $300 (suit).
I'd also venture a guess that a secretary would function just as well
with or without makeup.  If the above wasn't true, I'd begin to question
why I had the job -- for my looks?  I know... Sadly, in some cases, this
*is* the reason.

> Who are we judge their actions?  Do you want them to judge you
> in a similar way, just because you do not chose to conform to
> their standard?

Again, why be so concerned as to how others see you, it's how you see
yourself that matters -- unless how you see yourself depends mainly on
how others see you (yucc!).

> It is possible that you are no more attractive to them than they are
> to you.

Oh, you *are* asking "why", sorry.  Yea, it's possible, but I think that
depends more on the actual person and less on his/her peers.  Someone
already mentioned that when one finds a mate, his/her peers become
much less important and may even be ignored (the mate becomes the new
peer).  Later (after marriage?), a new set of peers (friends) is usually
formed consisting of other married people and *children* are usually
used as the "peeries" (Children??  Well, I guess I'll get another
"wrong newsgroup" flame from Gene Spafford :-).

Why am I losing,			But it made sence to me?...
One of my best friends?				 Jeff Forys