Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!sri-unix!vortex!lauren@RAND-UNIX.ARPA From: lauren@RAND-UNIX.ARPA Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards Subject: Re: uucp sitenames (6 letter uniqueness?!?) Message-ID: <12888@sri-arpa.UUCP> Date: Mon, 27-Aug-84 13:40:57 EDT Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.12888 Posted: Mon Aug 27 13:40:57 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 30-Aug-84 09:35:32 EDT Lines: 49 From: Lauren Weinstein Unfortunately, it is not up to me to decide how long sitenames should be, I only implemented the decisions of the project, which is the ONLY group (thanks partially to our modest funding by Usenix) that has any chance of organizing the network and allowing uucp sites to meet the requirements necessary for inclusion as an Internet domain. Existing sites with longer sitenames have problems, and we are encouraging them to change their names if possible--many have already done so or are in the process of doing so. The 6 char bug is very unfortunate, but has already spread to enough sites that we need to live with it for the time being. The problem of longer sitenames CANNOT be avoided by sites that THEMSELVES are not capable of having a longer sitename. For example: a site running software that allows a 14 char sitename can communicate with sites running shorter sitenames. If they are dealing with a site that truncates their name (like "microsoft", which shows up as "microso") the 14 char site can simply enter "microso" in their tables. This will allow communications, but might still cause problems with mail addressed to microsoft! vs. microso!. This, unfortunately, isn't too easy to deal with, and the people in charge of the new software that allows 14 char names have so far resisted my suggestion that a table entry be present to indicate the extent to which other sites truncate their names (which would be, as far as I can see, the "best" solution). The problem is much worse for the "normal" site (let's say with a 7 char sitename max) that tries to communicate with sites named foobar11 and foobar12. In practice, it is impossible for them to deal with this situation, since uniqueness does not appear until the 8th character, and no table entries of any kind are going to help. The long-term hope is that domain organization will help relieve some of the naming problems, though the current decision is to try ensure that all sites have the theoretical ability to set up direct connections with any other site. Any other outcome could result in uneconomical routings being forced simply because of naming conflicts. The situation is complex and confusing, but we're doing our best to make some sense out of it. Personally, I would have preferred to put the name limit at 7 instead of 6, but I was outvoted on this issue. Further discussions of these issues should probably be directed to the Usenet uucp discussion groups and mailing lists which have been designated for such purposes. Thanks much. --Lauren--