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From: ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Birth control by ABORTION
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Date: Thu, 25-Oct-84 23:19:35 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct 25 23:19:35 1984
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>> In my opinion, some of the women who have been advocating
>> unlimited abortion on this net are nothing more than selfish,
>> self-centered, snot-nosed bitches.  They all have well paid jobs.
>> Their partners most likely have the same.  Their only aim in
>> life seems to be self gratification and to hell with anything
>> that gets in their way.  Their concern isn't for the poor or
>> disadvantaged.  They only want abortion to be available to
>> them so that they can continue to pursue hedonistic impulses.
>> Responsibility is a dirty word in their vocabulary.  Love
>> of life is only a phrase that pertains to them and their
>> narcistic attitudes.  You women know who you are.  Don't bother
>> to get up on your hobby horses and lecture about rape and
>> incest.  The abortions attributed to these two categories
>> is miniscule and the numbers support this.  You women know
>> damn well that the only reason you support abortion is so
>> you can use it as a birth control method.  This is WRONG.

>> As for the men who will undoubtably reply to this article,
>> stick your terminal up your nose.  Abortion for birth control
>> is murder, plain and simple.  All of those arguments about
>> what or who is alive or human are nothing more than a bunch
>> of claptrap.  1.5 million deaths a year is sick.  
>> T. C. Wheeler

One is tempted to respond in kind, viz:  Guys like TC make you wish
abortion had been legal for a lot longer, *BUT* one is too busy trying
to stick one's TVI950 up one's nostrils.

I'll let the rampant misogyny pass, too.

There really is some middle ground, you know.  First, the number of
abortions due to rape and incest may be small, but rapes themselves
and sexual abuse due to incest are all too common.  Thus, the possibility of
pregnancy due to sexual abuse is very real, and no woman should have
to fear the consequences of such a pregancy on top of the crime.  TC is
much too macho a stud to comprehend this fear, or else he's too busy
knocking up his girlfriends to care.  OK, OK, sorry I got carried away
there.  Anyway, if it happens so rarely, why not keep such abortions
legal?

It's pretty clear that human embryos during the 1st trimester are
little more than masses of jelly.  They don't look at all like those
cute pictures clutched like portraits of the Ayatollah by anti-abortion's
fanatical street gangs.  A 1st trimester embryo is more like a teratoma
(look it up, TC) than anything else.  What about rights for teratomas?
Or sperm?

Of course, there's no proscription of abortion in the Bible, and up
through the 19th Century, Church doctrine held (from Aristotle, I
think), that a soul took 40 days to develop--80 for a female, wouldn't
you know--so abortion during that time was not the taking of a human
life.  Therefore, to call abortion, at least during the first few
months, murder is to make a quite arbitrary and capricious statement,
both philosophically and scientifically.

What is called for most of all is tolerance.
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