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From: keduh@hogpd.UUCP (D.HUDEK)
Newsgroups: net.auto,net.legal,net.politics
Subject: Re: Laws Nobody Obeys ARE NEEDED ??
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Date: Wed, 7-Nov-84 19:32:29 EST
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Posted: Wed Nov  7 19:32:29 1984
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I'm not really sure if this belongs in net.auto AND net.legal
AND net.politics, but that's where the discussion has been going
so...

>>>   [stuff about laws such as prohibition, 55mph speed limit, rules
>>> against cursing under penalty of dismissal, etc.   ED]
>>> 	It seems to me that a law which is broken so much of the time is in
>>> some fundamental way sick, and should be re-thought.  Just a thought...
above from charm!mam

>
>You have a very sick and short sighted view of society.  It is human
>nature to push the limits.  We feel we need to show our independence.
>But we still need safeguards to protect the rights and safety of
>our friends, our neighbors, and our loved ones.  If you don't give a
>shit about them, who do you care for.  Perhaps you don't care and
>there is no law against that but it tends to reduce the number of
>friends, neighbors, and loved ones.
>
the above paragraph is from aluxe!2141smh

Whoa Nelly !!!  If I read this right, Mx. charm!mam was observing
that there are a lot of rather silly and restrictive laws that
a great many people ignore [in his original article I believe
he mentioned Prohibition and the 55-mph speed limit] and questioned
whether or not there was something wrong with such laws.
[I mean, after all, if so many people obviously disagree with
them and disobey them, there must be something wrong with them, no?]
But then Mx. 2141smh violently disagrees and insults Mx. charm!mam.
[now, this is between smh and mam, but I happen to agree with
mam, so smh has just insulted me, so...]

Excuse me, but I certainly do not need any more
Big Brother than I've already got. You appear to have the attitude
that most people are just these poor little incompetent dilly-bops
who don't know what's best for them [how cute, they're trying
to show some independence]... so let's make a law and
*force* them to do what *you* think's best for them!!!!
[what's that line about the tyranny of the majority?]
And when someone disagrees.... well, it's the LAW! Besides,
you need safeguards.

Gimme a break!  We're not talking about laws that most everyone
agrees with [such as making murder a punishable offense], but stupid and
restrictive laws that a great many people disregard.

I most strongly disagree with the attitude that a law is sacred
in and of itself; if you have such a poor regard for people and
their judgment, remember that the laws in question were thought
up by people, bad judgment and all. Also remember, you may be setting
up a precedent you will later regret. If you can force me to
do some silly thing or prevent me from doing what I want
[here I'm assuming that what I want to do affects mainly myself
and has a minimal affect on others], be careful that the tables
never become turned.... I might just pass a law that would
force you to jog 10 miles every day or prevent you from eating
french fries.... after all, it's for your own good; you really
don't know what's best for you; and LAW is sacred !!!

Geez...  after reading this, I think I'm starting to think
like a d*mn libertarian.... not wanting other people to encroach
upon my "rights" and all.... :-[       ;-)

ihnp4!hogpd!keduh
 
p.s.	I just couldn't resist.... I haven't flamed in weeks... :-)
        from smh: "If you don't give a shit about them,
	who do you care for?"  I don't understand...
	Why should he give excrement [human, animal,...?]
	about someone.... about them? on either side?
	Is he supposed to deposit excrement all around
	them....  how close to them?....
	or is he supposed to offer it to some kind of official
	excrement collector???  Gee.... I'm confused.
	What does waste material have to do with caring for someone ?

	:-)   Hey... I was just kidding !!!  OUCH!  stop!!
	stop!!  I'm sorry!!  OUCH!  stop that!!  I was only
	kidding !!!    :-)   :-)   :-)   :-)   :-)